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Old 05-23-2011, 7:59 PM
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Default good and bad surplus 7.62x54r, post your experiences!

With all the surplus 7.62x54r and mosins out there i figured some people might be interested in what's good and what's bad surplus/what did or didn't work for you.

the good stuff i shot:

-yugo m30 heavy ball; especially the 1976 m30 i had shot really good in a number of mosins i have

-czech silvertip light ball in copper washed cases from the 70's; hot but consistant

-bulgarian light ball headstamp 10/80; performed poor in some of my 91/30's and m39's, but does really well in another 91/30. (as in 1.5/2 MOA) in a 91/30
-russian light ball headstamp 60/85; consistant as well, got a 9/30 with a frosted bore (second half of barrel toward muzzle) that thinks it's a match rifle with this ammo.

surplus that didn't work for me:
-hungarian light ball from the 70's; big fireballs (fun!) and seems to be sonsistant, but it just doesn't group in anything i've put it in; m39,91/30 & m44

-hungarian heavy ball yellow tip steel cased copper washed from the 50's. complete junk; inconsistant powder charges, inconsistant bullet weight and inconsistant bullet diameter. Total waste of time and money.

-hungarian heavy ball yellow band silver tip from the 70's or 80's; looks to be consistant, but didn't work in any mosin. However, i didn't come across anything that hits harder and penetrates deeper; 180 grain of steel core mayhem

-polish light ball laquered case from the 50's; didn't work in any rifle; tried it on over 10 various mosins.

So, now it's your turn; hang fires, duds, corroded shells, key holing junk, you name it, it could help a fellow shooter to decide what to get.
(the more detailed you are the better, headstamps etc. are a great help in identifying a good or bad lot.)
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Old 05-24-2011, 6:08 PM
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i can add a postive for the russian silver tip light ball 60/75 recently bought from sgammo.com; fired 40 rounds, no slow primers, all consistant. shot a 1 moa group in one of my tuned 91/30s over 4 rounds, the fifth made it a 2MOA, which could well have been me. Not bad ad all, very happy actually.
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Old 05-24-2011, 6:21 PM
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Good experiences with Russian light ball milsurp here, too. My 91/30 likes it a lot. Just clean the rifle afterwards, like you would with any such ammo. But the rifle definitely needs a recoil pad! :-)
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70's Russian light ball- Love the stuff, its the reccomended diet for all my 762x54r rifles.

Bulgarian- like the stuff but damn its as dirty as my wife.

Yugo- Don't like it, and it doesn't like me.
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Hungarian yellow tip heavy ball....works just fine
Hungarian silver tip light ball........works just fine
Albanian copper wash................works just fine
Russian light ball.......................works just fine
Bulgarian light ball.....................works just fine

My M44 doesn't care what you feed it, it blasts the h**l out of anything.
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Old 05-26-2011, 6:42 PM
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Good stuff: it goes BANG!

Bad stuff: it don't.
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The only 7.62x54r I have had any trouble with is the 50's vintage Bulgarian light ball in brass cases. Had a couple instances where the case bodies split giving me some blowback. Needless to say I stopped using it…

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Old 05-27-2011, 4:54 AM
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I been using this ammo for the longest. They say its POLISH. I love it!
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Good stuff: it goes BANG!

Bad stuff: it don't.
That's basically my criteria. Having said that, I haven't had any bad stuff yet!


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The only 7.62x54r I have had any trouble with is the 50's vintage Bulgarian light ball in brass cases. Had a couple instances where the case bodies split giving me some blowback. Needless to say I stopped using it…

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Yea, I've heard that before. I've had zero problems with the 50's Bulgarian heavy ball. I don't know what they did differently...
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Czech silver tip gave me some horrible sticky bolt in a 91/59. I've found brass case Albanian to be quite crappy.
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I been using this ammo for the longest. They say its POLISH. I love it!
Good Lord!

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I've only shoot

Czech bxn, 1986...only shot a handful though, no probs
1989 PPU, a couple duds here and there, sometimes the striker doesn't hit it hard enough.
I like the 1976 PPU much better.
I've also shot 30ish rounds of Albanian. The stuff looks worse than it performs. At least it's brass (1986).


I've yet to try the Russian light ball, but that's what I'll be buying next.
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I been using this ammo for the longest. They say its POLISH. I love it!
Wow!!!!!!!!
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Holy.......well your prepared if SHTF

too bad i dont have a neighbor like you!!!
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Old 06-10-2011, 9:53 PM
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alrighty, got the ww2 / 1945 repacked light ball in from sg ammo. a crate consists of various factory cartridge codes, it's a mixed lot. all rounds seem to be dated 1945.

shot about 60 rounds, about 1 in 4 cases splits at the neck. 1 did split over the entire length... Tried the ammo in 2 of my mosins, 1 grouped horrible with it, the other quite acceptable, as in 4 shots within 1.5 moa at 100 yards, and a fifth making it a 2 moa group. Noticed that when the gun heats up the groups open up. Doesn't do this with handloads or brown bear/ barnaul 203 grain, so the powder is more temp. sensitive.

Pulled a few rounds; powder charge is pretty consistant at around 51 grains, bullets vary about 3 grains. Rim thickness of cartridge varies. Seating depth is about the same but the bullets aren't that uniformally shaped; some would show quite a bit of crimp groove sticking out of the neck, where others didn't or hardly showed the presence of a crimp groove.

All in all i was surprised how well it did in the one mosin i brought to the range; no hang fires, duds or anything, just a bunch of split necks. This stuff shoots low compared to the more recent surplus. It won't make up for the average mosin shooting 7 " high phenomenon, but POI comes a lot closer to POA, at least in the 2 mosins that i shot it in so far.


for about 20 cents a round it's ok (not great but not too bad) ammo

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This Yugo ammo is good:

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Now we know why ammo prices went up! Hoarder
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I been using this ammo for the longest. They say its POLISH. I love it!
Buy it cheap ... stack it deep. Yea that mid 80's Polish LB is great ammo. Consistent and accurate.. get an occasional FTF tho. Stuff was $40 a can.. gone now.
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Bulgarian light ball.....................works just fine
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anything but lacquered steel case, a few cracked cases in some Bulgarian and Albanian, no problems with Czech copper wash steel, Hungarian brass and copper wash, or Yugo 2002 surplus (Igman)
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Has anyone had any experience with the Yugo 182gr non-magnetic? Good/bad/thoughts?
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All my m/n's except the new M38 love it love it love it. The M38, not so much. Clean shooting, really nice quality, no duds. Hard to find unline
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Has anyone had any experience with the Yugo 182gr non-magnetic? Good/bad/thoughts?

The overall consensus here is that it's good to go. The OP said he likes it, I like and so do many others...

In my experience, the stuff has come out of its box clean and shiny.





I've always wanted to bottom out the car by buying enough crates of ammo.
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I've always wanted to bottom out the car by buying enough crates of ammo.
Haha, I share your goals. It would be very satisfying.
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