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Old 05-19-2011, 7:46 PM
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Hi guys, I just bought one of these the 91/30 and all the numbers match on what I had read are the 4 areas that are supposed to match, bolt, barrel,underside of magazine, and back stock plate. but then I open up the bolt and see another number on the receiver, which is something like PHO33244 type thing. everything I have read talks about the 4 main areas where to look for serial numbers and none of them mention this number on the receiver. also mine has orange paint on the barrel serial numbers and on the sights. it's an iztec says 1943. I think it's a century arms import that was refurbished after the war. but I don't get the numbers thing. none of the serial numbers are crossed out and no engraving type thing on it.
does this mean that the receiver is not a match with the barrel? but the bolt is? the action on the bolt is smooth as silk and overall in great condition. thanks for any help
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Old 05-19-2011, 8:19 PM
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Check here. Good place to start. PAX
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Old 05-19-2011, 9:07 PM
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EDIT: nevermind what i originally said. i was thinking it was under the receiver.

PHO33244 is it's new serial number. the serial number the US Government recognizes. it was put there by the importer. we don't allow the use of cyrillic letters in guns' serial numbers.


"iztec"

Izhevsk, actually.

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Old 05-19-2011, 9:14 PM
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yes I looked over that site, and couldn't find anyting about this area for numbers. all it talked about was the normal areas of the barrel, butstock, bolt, and magazine and all the tons of markings from various factories, etc but nothing about this area where I see the PHO1234 numbers. i'ts not that big of a deal at all I'm just curious if all the parts are matching or not. if it shoots well, then I'm happy but I dont' quite get why I can't find anything on these numbers. if you look to the left of this bad photo(had to make it tiny due to the upload limits) you'll see the number I am talking about
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Old 05-19-2011, 9:16 PM
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thank you mauser, that clears it up for me, sorry about the bad spelling, I got lazy. I actually was married to a russian for 6 years and learned some of the language and know the alphabet and how to pronounce it. this was really confusing me, thanks a lot.

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ok you are not sure about that? after looking at the photo? ok, thanks for clearing that up, that makes sense. here's a better photo, what do you think about the orange painted numbers? I think it's a century arms import, it has a name on the front barrel from tennesee
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Old 05-19-2011, 9:23 PM
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i've never seen a number there. i assumed it was a new serial number or parts number. now i'm not sure what to think
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Be glad they stamped it where they did instead of the huge billboard that is usually plastered on the side of the receiver. I have a few stamped like yours and you can't see it when the bolt is closed, so it's not too horribly intrusive.

It's odd that they gave it a whole new number... usually they just translate the Cyrillic prefix into English and use the same number suffix.

Anyhow, nice rifle
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...It's odd that they gave it a whole new number... usually they just translate the Cyrillic prefix into English and use the same number suffix...
All of my Mosin-Nagants that were imported after ATF started requiring the new serial number have completely new made up numbers. The M44 serial numbers start with 44- and the M91/30 serial numbers start with 9130-.
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here's a photo of the whole thing, can't wait to shoot it
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All of my Mosin-Nagants that were imported after ATF started requiring the new serial number have completely new made up numbers. The M44 serial numbers start with 44- and the M91/30 serial numbers start with 9130-.
I've had a few like that too, but those are all numbers and don't have letters mixed in. I guess it all depends on who imported it and how they decided to comply with the law.

I've got a 1927 Tikka M-91 that is stamped in the same location as the OP's, and they used the 4 digit serial number and the "C" which is actually the bore measurement and not part of the serial. It's funny how different all this stuff ends up

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i've never seen a number there. i assumed it was a new serial number or parts number. now i'm not sure what to think
Ive seen them there before but its not very common. Usually you see them on the side or top of the receiver ring.
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As far as the rifle's serial numbers go, they are force matching.

The parts currently on the rifle are not those it had when it left the Izhevsk factory in 1943, they are the parts put on the rifle when it was refurbished, probably sometime in the 70's.

It's nothing to be concerned about, force matching is the norm for refurb mosins.
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All dot matrix stamped numbers are from the importer. Soviet Russia didn't have that back in the day
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