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Old 05-19-2011, 8:33 AM
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Default Which AR Is Currently Used In Marine Boot Camp?

Can any current/recent Marines tell me the AR configuration that is currently used in Boot camp?
Is it the M4?
What rear sight is used (to train to sight-in, for example)?
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Should just be a beat up M16A2 with iron sights, unless things have changed.
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Iron sights and M16A2 last I heard.
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In boot camp, you get all the crappy stuff, no M4, just plain old beat up M16A2 with iron sight. However, after graduating from boot camp, you start seeing high speed, low drag stuff in fleet.
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I went to boot camp in the summer of 2008, and was issued a M16A2. During MCT, we were all issued M16A4s.
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Back in '02 we were issued beat up M16A2s...some were manufactured by Colt, some were by FN...the FN A2s were usually newer.

Be careful with the rifle you're issued. Some of the barrels were incorrectly torqued. My rifle had a loose barrel and I DQ'd at the rifle range the first time out. The armorer and PMI both spotted the problem, fixed it, and I scored expert right after that.

Then in MCT I got another busted up A2, this time the gas tube was broken, so it wasn't cycling at all. I had to manually chamber each blank during a lot of exercises, but I guess according to the devil above that they're now using A4s, that's a good thing.

Those things are literally beat to ****.

Once you're in the fleet, you'll see the nicer M16A4s and M4A4s.

I still remember our unit receiving brand new M4A4s still greased up in those blue plastic bags from Colt.
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Iron sights and M16A2 last I heard.
Thats what we got.
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Don't expect the receivers to fit well together either.
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I was just at Edson Range watching recruits qual. They are using brand new M16A4.

They are sending some cycles through using iron sights and others using RCO's. HQMC will compile that data to determine wether or not they wish to continue instructing recruits marksmanship using irons or optics.
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I was just at Edson Range watching recruits qual. They are using brand new M16A4.

They are sending some cycles through using iron sights and others using RCO's. HQMC will compile that data to determine wether or not they wish to continue instructing recruits marksmanship using irons or optics.
I got instructed on the use of optics very breifly, but my basic training company only had a handful of A4s. It was good as sort of a "hey, you may get one of these someday" sort of class, but I don't think for a second that is how they should train anyone to shoot or that they should qaul like that.
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FN A2 for me back in Nov. '07. Now i'm lugging around an FN A4 around Leatherneck lol
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I was just at Edson Range watching recruits qual. They are using brand new M16A4.

They are sending some cycles through using iron sights and others using RCO's. HQMC will compile that data to determine wether or not they wish to continue instructing recruits marksmanship using irons or optics.
I really hope they stick with teaching with iron sights. I know they say you should train how you fight, and we are currently fighting with ACOG/Aimpoint and some with eotech. But start with the basics and build from there. So if/when the optics fail, moving to their BUIS wont be an issue.
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I really hope they stick with teaching with iron sights. I know they say you should train how you fight, and we are currently fighting with ACOG/Aimpoint and some with eotech. But start with the basics and build from there. So if/when the optics fail, moving to their BUIS wont be an issue.
I was wondering how that switch to the ACOG was going to effect training in boot camp. Im guessing they wouldnt want to deal with it and risk them getting broken with rifles getting abused as much as they do.
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Youngsters in here.
I went through the Depot in '94 and I this recruit had a beat to hell and back M16A2 also. It was nowhere near as beat as the one in MCT. Then I hit the fleet and at my first duty station it was a brand new M16A2.
At my Second duty station it was back to a beater A2 with an equally bashed M203. But they were all straight shooting. None of the receivers fit like some here think they should (receiver fit isn't as crucial as some think)
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M16a2 for me back in 2000. I didn't get a fancy a4 until my last year. And than in the last 6 months they issued me an aimpoint. I preferred iron sights. I'm sure the Corps will keep iron sights in boot and than switch to optic training in soi
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In boot camp, you get all the crappy stuff, no M4, just plain old beat up M16A2 with iron sight. However, after graduating from boot camp, you start seeing high speed, low drag stuff in fleet.
I dont consider the A2 crappy. I was issued a new one in boot back in 85.
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I had a M16A2 in Bott Camp. That thing was a piece. I had to use my lock to knock the front pivot pin out. I think it shot like 15R or something. Then the one I got when I went to Iraq was like 2 clicks left one turn up on the front sight.
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I got instructed on the use of optics very breifly, but my basic training company only had a handful of A4s. It was good as sort of a "hey, you may get one of these someday" sort of class, but I don't think for a second that is how they should train anyone to shoot or that they should qaul like that.
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I really hope they stick with teaching with iron sights. I know they say you should train how you fight, and we are currently fighting with ACOG/Aimpoint and some with eotech. But start with the basics and build from there. So if/when the optics fail, moving to their BUIS wont be an issue.
I agree 100%. They should qual in boot camp with irons & learn optics in the fleet or MCT/ITB. Most of the FMF feels that way but HQMC is still doing their experiment.
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I went in 08. Had an extremely crappy Colt A2 that had to of been from the 80's. It still shot well and I scored expert.

I agree, Irons should be taught at Boot, that way you have at least an understanding if SHTF. From SOI and on, RCO marksmanship should be taught with Iron refreshers through Power Point.
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my buddies bro just graduated from bootcamp and he said they are stilll using the A2 but they said they are goign to start implementing the ACOG into the training because we primarily use the ACOG now.
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I know for a fact that in MCRD they are using A4's. I'll get a pic next time.
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Not related to the Marine Corps, but when I was going through Army BCT in 2008 there were recruits who had Colt M16A1 receivers that were literally lined out and restamped "A2" and "Semi" paired with an A2 upper.
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my buddies bro just graduated from bootcamp and he said they are stilll using the A2 but they said they are goign to start implementing the ACOG into the training because we primarily use the ACOG now.
I have mixed feelings about that. The RCO rocks, of course, but marksmanship should still taught and regularly qualified on iron's IMO. One of the few areas where I think the Army does do it right is have combat training/qualification as well (though they screw up by a weaker marksmanship). But I think marksmanship qualification and combat training should be complimentary and overlap, but one shouldn't replace the other.
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I agree with the others here saying irons should still be hit hard in boot camp. I loved the ACOG but I had my rear sights in a pouch on my chest when in Iraq just in case SHTF.
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I was the 2nd cycle to use A4s when I went through MCRD in July, 2010. Brand spanking new rifles and they were beautiful! Still qualified with iron sights.
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Yep. I graduated MCRD San Diego March 4th 2011 and we were issued FN Herstal M16 A4s with the irons on them in Boot. Mine was 10502182. We were told we were the second Delta company to use them. They shot well and didnt look too worn out. They were good enough for me to shoot a 241 at Edson. At MCT/SOI we used A4s with beat to hell RCOs. Id have rather stuck with the irons. I have a deep dislike for the RCO.
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If you are ever on a 2 way range, you'll learn to like it
mwahahaha. Yeah, RCO is good gear, but irons are needed to learn fundamentals. MCT kinda sucked, though. Bunch of grunts lording it over the POGs, though they couldn't think of any smack to talk when I said tanks. Weapons familiarity was cool, though, especially for the POGs who aren't going to see those sorts of weapons in their units.

Training in the unit with the RCO will be so much better once you hit the Fleet.
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My son went thru Parris Island in winter (only smart thing he did) of '08 and had an FN A1 that he called "Sandy" because she would FTF if you even thought about sand.

In the night of the Crucible, he was on a live-fire exercise and had cleaned her intensely just before. First round was a "click"....ended up stripping and re-assembling in the dark. He says "click" is the worst sound a Marine can hear.

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Its changed alot in recent years, Quals have went from the good old fashioned iorn sight setup and paying your dues in the the Pits to computerized plotters and allowing optics and bipod usage on the line. I can't for the life of me figure out how people "Unk"
off the range they all but spoon feed you a expert qual now.
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Yep. I graduated MCRD San Diego March 4th 2011 and we were issued FN Herstal M16 A4s with the irons on them in Boot. Mine was 10502182. We were told we were the second Delta company to use them. They shot well and didnt look too worn out. They were good enough for me to shoot a 241 at Edson. At MCT/SOI we used A4s with beat to hell RCOs. Id have rather stuck with the irons. I have a deep dislike for the RCO.
Wow, straight outta the gate huh! Learn to like that RCO, or get 300 PFT's to even it out.
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Youngsters in here.
I went through the Depot in '94 and I this recruit had a beat to hell and back M16A2 also. It was nowhere near as beat as the one in MCT. Then I hit the fleet and at my first duty station it was a brand new M16A2.
At my Second duty station it was back to a beater A2 with an equally bashed M203. But they were all straight shooting. None of the receivers fit like some here think they should (receiver fit isn't as crucial as some think)
Youngsters in here is correct. When I qualed back in August of 93 we had A2's. Checked into 1/11 and had an A2 issued but carried our sections M-60E3 until they phased em out for the M-240, then I got a M-249 SAW. Left the fleet in August of 02 to be an instructor at Ft Sill, everyone still was rocking A2's unless you were a high speed unit then you got optics. LOL went over 18 a week ago, some times it still seems like yesterday
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The Marine Corps recently announced that all recruits going through bootcamp would use the M-16A4, but they will not be using the RCO/ACOG. They want to teach the basic marksmanship skills in boot. Once in MCT and SOI, they use A-4's with the RCO/ACOG, uless they were a Grenadier, they were using M-16A2 (as of last year when I went to AT at Pendleton).
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Youngsters in here.
I went through the Depot in '94 and I this recruit had a beat to hell and back M16A2 also. It was nowhere near as beat as the one in MCT. Then I hit the fleet and at my first duty station it was a brand new M16A2.
At my Second duty station it was back to a beater A2 with an equally bashed M203. But they were all straight shooting. None of the receivers fit like some here think they should (receiver fit isn't as crucial as some think)
Ya boot. . . damn yellow footprints. . .

Went thru in 86, had m16a2's back then as well.
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I love hearing Marines who shipped to boot camp after I ECS'd calling others "youngsters"! I am a firm believer that if you never floated on an LST, you just ain't got enough salt yet!

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