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Old 05-17-2011, 8:36 PM
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I am a 1911 fanatic! I love them, and I collect them. Dan Wesson's, SA's, etc.

But for dedicated self defense use, I use only Glock G21's or S&W MP 45's.

Call me crazy, but, the robust reliability and the utility use and function of a Glock 21 (or MP 45) seems to be the right choice for this use. They cost less, 'and are more of a "utilitarian" tool than a 'fine' 1911.

Because they have a higher capacity, absolute robust reliability, and a "lower replacement cost if lost" these are my primary drivers...

Am I a 1911 trader?

PS All of my guns are "reliable", as I won't tolerate anything less. But for SD, Glocks cannot be beat. Period.
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Similar feelings here. Love love love my 1911 but my 229R DAO in .40sw is my nightstand gun.
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Sorry but no guns are perfect. I think ammo choice is more important than the pistol. Any modern handgun will always go click but its usually the ammo that fails not the gun.
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PS All of my guns are "reliable", as I won't tolerate anything less. But for SD, Glocks cannot be beat. Period.
You should add IMO to this statement.

There are plenty of us that have competed (or trained) with other firearms without failure. Nothing IMO shows every little issue with a gun like a competition.

I'd use my 1911, CZ75, or S&W Model 19 prior to ever using a Glock, but that is because I shoot my all those other guns much better then I shoot a Glocks.

I would also add that you are bound to be called a troll for this post - and it is spelled traitor (before you get flamed for that).
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I don't own a Glock, but I do have a P220 - and a lot of other wheel guns.

My training is with a 1911 for social duties and for me, that is the ultimate urban sidearm.

When I'm in the woods, I have a 3" .44 in a cross draw. In the outdoors, it's more appropriate - more power, no need to double tap, well, not much need truth be told.

Give me a 1911 any day.
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Sorry but no guns are perfect. I think ammo choice is more important than the pistol. Any modern handgun will always go click but its usually the ammo that fails not the gun.
Only reason I don't usually have my 1911 on the nightstand is that it lacks a rail and tritium sights. Not that I would need such things, but my Glock was somewhat purpose built.
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If I can't count on any one of my pistols for SD then I don't own it. All my guns are shooters so I always know they work.
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Hey I hear ya and I keep my XD on my bedside but I would always trust my life to my 1911's as well. Without a doubt.
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I shot 500 rounds ( reloads) through my Glock 22 with no oil. ZERO malfunctions. I'm sure there are other brands that can say the same or better but for me, Glock 22 w/X300 light is by my bed.

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I am a 1911 fanatic! I love them, and I collect them. Dan Wesson's, SA's, etc.

But for dedicated self defense use, I use only Glock G21's or S&W MP 45's.

Call me crazy, but, the robust reliability and the utility use and function of a Glock 21 (or MP 45) seems to be the right choice for this use. They cost less, 'and are more of a "utilitarian" tool than a 'fine' 1911.

Because they have a higher capacity, absolute robust reliability, and a "lower replacement cost if lost" these are my primary drivers...

Am I a 1911 trader?

PS All of my guns are "reliable", as I won't tolerate anything less. But for SD, Glocks cannot be beat. Period.
Just one question: what do you used before Glock's ever invented?
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If a Glock was an option, I would prefer it. Lately have begun to take an interest in 1911s. However, I trust a Glock a heck of a lot more. Reliability, ease of use and effectiveness all play a part in that decision.

It is a pretty common feeling amongst those who really like Glocks and have put them through the paces. The more courses you take, the more you see trends with other popular brands or makes of guns that you almost never see with Glocks. A fact that drives Glock haters up the wall. Thats why they get so excited when somebody passes on a story about an issue they had with a Glock. It justfies their dislike of them...whether the story is true or not.

There are a lot of great guns out there, but none that I have seen that truly hold their own against the Glock as a combat handgun.

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The only problem I would have with using my 1911 as a nightstand gun would be that I think the police have to take the gun with them as evidence is that true? I think the 1911 is the finest and best combat pistol ever designed I'm sorry but you would be hard pressed to say otherwise.

I really don't understand why people think that a 1911 is so unreliable and unsuited for self defense is it because they don't post torture tests on you tube or something?
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It is a pretty common feeling amongst those who really like Glocks and have put them through the paces. The more courses you take, the more you see trends with other popular brands or makes of guns that you almost never see with Glocks. A fact that drives Glock haters up the wall. Thats why they get so excited when somebody passes on a story about an issue they had with a Glock. It justfies their dislike of them...whether the story is true or not.
I really think one of the biggest reasons Glocks are so reliable are because they have a great finish. Some guy on here introduced me to Melonite its really similar to Glocks finish from what I hear/read.
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I think the gun that shoots best is the best gun for SD. I prefer an sti 2011.

Glocks have horrible triggers and are tough to shoot well under pressure and at moving targets.

but please, Bring your glock out to SSA and prove many of us all wrong.

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To each their own. I absolutely love my 1911s. Theyre a ton of fun at the ranges. However, my bedside gun is a Sig P220. My ccws are a P228, G26 or PM9 (depending on the weather).
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Frankly i think that is rather silly way of thinking. Why even buy anything else but a glock then or a hi point. I would trust any of my none glocks for self defense with no reservations whatsoever
Yeah the glock is nice but i tell you thats its your way of thinking that allows glock to charge the high prices it does.
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I'd trust my life with either my Glock or my 1911. I just would prefer the Glock be taken away as evidence in case of a self-defense shooting investigation. Why own a combat pistol that you don't believe is anything less than 100% reliable?
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My most reliable handgun isn't a Glock (though mine have been very reliable).....it's one of my 1911's. It's also the gun I have the most trigger time with (18,000 rounds and counting). I'm most familiar/comfortable/proficient with it. Given the above, it's my go to gun (though my dedicated HD weapon is my 870P). I'm not worried about losing it if there IS an incidence of me actually having to use it....my family is worth more than a gun. If the cost of losing a gun comes to consideration before the safety and security of your family then you should re-evaluate your priorities.
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1911s have been covering peoples asses for 100 years. Glock, 30.
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I am a 1911 fanatic! I love them, and I collect them. Dan Wesson's, SA's, etc.

But for dedicated self defense use, I use only Glock G21's or S&W MP 45's.

Call me crazy, but, the robust reliability and the utility use and function of a Glock 21 (or MP 45) seems to be the right choice for this use. They cost less, 'and are more of a "utilitarian" tool than a 'fine' 1911.

Because they have a higher capacity, absolute robust reliability, and a "lower replacement cost if lost" these are my primary drivers...

Am I a 1911 trader?

PS All of my guns are "reliable", as I won't tolerate anything less. But for SD, Glocks cannot be beat. Period.
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I love 1911s, but for self-defense, I prefer... a 1911.
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"I don't always shoot in self defense, but when I do, I prefer a 1911."



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I'll use my Glock to clear the hallway into my home office -

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My current carry and bedside handguns are revolvers. I have used 1911s and XDs for this roll, as well as Sigs. Never liked the way Glocks felt in my hands. If I went back to autos, and I am sure I will, 1911s are at the top of the list. While I like the grip shape of the XD, I never warmed up to the polymer frame. Nothing wrong with it, just not for me. I currently only have one polymer frame-An early (Glock lawsuit) S&W Sigma. It is a decent enough gun, and would be confident enough in it to use it, but I really only have it because it was a deseased friend's carry gun. His widow gave it to me. It has to much sentimental value to sell it.
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Id rather not use my $1500+ 1911s for CCW or HD. I woudlnt want to deal with having it taken as evidence and then you fighting to get it back if it was ever used in self defense. I could deal with losing a used subcompact glock, I couldnt handle losing a high end 1911.
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I don't own any 1911s but I understand your line of thinking.
Likewise, but its mainly based on the fact that I haven't extensively trained the 1911's manual of arms inside-out. I know for me, personally, I would not want to deal with an external safety in a high-stress situation. Others who grew up on 1911s I can see differently. Don't understand those who took any of OP's post even remotely offensively or felt the need to reply sarcastically.
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Actually I'm brand new to 1911's. My dad had a WWII model that I saw him use to finish off an elk in Montana 20+ years ago, but that was the only time I saw it fired. I just bought an RIA tactical and am very impressed so far. I'm debating the idea of kicking the old 9mm to the curb or buying a 1911 9mm. Damn salesman at Tracy rifle and pistol stuck an xse in ly hand yesterday....thank God for the 30 day limit or I'd be broke.

Unless the RIA does an about face it's about to go into the night stand.

BTW you are a 1911 trader....as you said you collect them, but also a traitor in using the glock over them.....j/k
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Likewise, but its mainly based on the fact that I haven't extensively trained the 1911's manual of arms inside-out. I know for me, personally, I would not want to deal with an external safety in a high-stress situation. Others who grew up on 1911s I can see differently. Don't understand those who took any of OP's post even remotely offensively or felt the need to reply sarcastically.
The thumb safety is a non issue under stress if you practice. I would say that a safety works as it has been designed if you have not trained and accidently pull the trigger under stress.

It's all about training. Jams will happen, fail to fires will happen, it's murphy's law. I would guess it's preparing for when those happen. A Glock when it fails is no different than a 1911.

I actually just DROS'd an M&P40 and don't like that it's missing the manual safety.
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The thumb safety is a non issue under stress if you practice. I would say that a safety works as it has been designed if you have not trained and accidently pull the trigger under stress.

It's all about training. Jams will happen, fail to fires will happen, it's murphy's law. I would guess it's preparing for when those happen. A Glock when it fails is no different than a 1911.

I actually just DROS'd an M&P40 and don't like that it's missing the manual safety.
Totally agree and understand, which is why I stated that I can see it being better for someone who has trained extensively with it.
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my Glock 21SF is my daily carry/home defense gun

id rather use that than my Colts

cheaper, easier to replace

i dont want my Colt sitting in some evidence room
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