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Old 06-28-2011, 10:43 AM
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I just folded my app a second time and inserted it into ste small envelope. I sent it standard USPS.
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^^ this as well, just folded everything so it would fit..
Thanks guys, thats what I just did.
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Old 06-29-2011, 5:30 AM
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Okay quick update. I sent an email to Arizona today and got a reply.

5-23 mailed application
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Unknown date:FBI rejected BOTH of my fingerprint cards. There is a comment that this is normal.

They are now waiting for a manual name check and this can take 2 months!
Still waiting...
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Old 06-29-2011, 7:55 AM
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Still waiting...
Ouch. How did your print cards look? I am worried that mine will be rejected too because I don't feel my prints came out very legible.
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They looked great to me but who knows. Was in Nevada Monday but the law hasn't changed yet anyway.
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Just for the fun of it, i emailed AZCCW and asked if they could tell me if they had received my packet yet, I mailed it on 6-23-2011..they have not received it yet , or at least have not logged it in the system yet.

I am thinking all of us sending them off from California might be slowing them down quite a bit.. Or mine is lost in the mail some where , which with my luck might have happened..LOL

**UPdated 7-8 ...

OK.. I talked to AZCCW today (7-8), I mailed mine on 6-23, they received it on 6-27 but did not get it in the system till 7-5 and now its in the process etc..

Told me it was because so many of us Californians are swamping them and they are short handed right now..

so its all good to go...
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I just folded my app a second time and inserted it into ste small envelope. I sent it standard USPS.
Same here.
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I really dont stray far from Ca....NV and OR are pretty much it. The AZ permit covers NV, but does OR accept anything other than an actual OR permit? Seems interesting that they dont need to see the arm the Ca does (at least my sheriff did). Anyone know what the renewel fees will be and at what interval?

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6/14 1:58pm - e-mail sent requesting packet
6/14 2:23pm - e-mail received saying packet would be mailed (I'm liking them already... )
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6/17 Packet received
6/18 Application mailed to AZ DPS
6/27 Entered in system
6/28 CWP printed and mailed
6/30 Permit in the mailbox when I got home!

Had a good laugh. For hair color it says, XXX.

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Sent out Packet late on the 16th (after hours I think)

June 17th packet went out
Approved June 28th
Received CWP June 30th..!

Wow..I am stoked and just in time for Las Vegas.!..

Now..what to wear..?..LOL

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PS..I like how we can carry ANY WEAPON we want..no restrictions except what is a legal weapon in the STATE...

Hmmm...endless possibilities.
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13 days from mailing application packet to receiving a permit. If only we had it so good here.
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Old 07-01-2011, 6:47 AM
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6/15/11 - Requested application packet by email
6/15/11 - Received same day response that packet would be mailed
6/18/11 - Packet recevied in mail
6/21/11 - Packet mailed to AZ DPS via certified mail
6/24/11 - Packet received by AZ DPS
6/27/11 - Recevied return receipt confirming delivery of packet
6/30/11 - AZ CCW received in mail!


So I RECEVIED my permit within 4 business days of application being delivered to DPS. That's pretty F-ING AWESOME!!!

I sent copies of my PC832 firearms certificate and my UT CCW to satisfy the training requirment. Guess that was good enough for them because they had my permit issued and had it in the mail within business days of receiving my application.

Thank you AZ......now just stay on the reciprocity list with NV dang it!
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Took a total of 12 days from dropping it in the mail box. This is the way it should be.
I wonder if AZ has a surplus budget yet with all of the recent funding from CA?
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I just emailed my request for a packet. I have no excuse for waiting so long to do so.
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:44 AM
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Yep mine has arrived finally, I sent it in weeks ago and they sent it back, informing me that I needed the signature for the "officer taking prints". I called them and they told me if I took my own prints I needed to sign it. So I did so and sent it back 3 weeks later and it's here. Very happy now when I go back to Vegas.
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:37 PM
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Let's have a CAL GUNS VEGA'S ROADTRIP.!!!!!!!!

We need to figure out a way to get Kestryll to pay for the Buffet Lunch at the Rio..

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Thanks for the info. I just called them. They will send out the package after the holiday.


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I sent an email request asking for a packet to be mailed to my CA address and if they would recognize my UT non-res permit to satisfy the training requirement.

I received a response in 18 minutes (wow):

We can use either the Florida or Utah CCW permit as alternate documentation. Make a copy of the front and back of either permit and include it with the application packet forms. We will get an application packet out to you in the mail. Thank you.

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Update - requested application 5/24, received app 5/27, mailed 5/31.... standing by.....
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Old 07-04-2011, 12:27 PM
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What's the email address that you use to request the application packet?

ETA: Never-mind. Web contact form.
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Will update this post as things happen

Today 7/5: Emailed request for packet
7/5: 5 minutes later received confirmation that packet will be mailed.

FIVE. FREAKING. MINUTES.

I also asked them if me being a Handgun Safety Certificate Certified Instructor was enough to meet the training/safety qualifications, but they couldn't tell me over email. I will mail in copies of everything and see what happens.
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Mailed out 6/20
Arrived Phx 6/22
Issued 6/29
Mailed 6/30
Received 7/5
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Can anyone in SD recommend me a training class that satisfies the requirement of this CCW permit from AZ?
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Can anyone in SD recommend me a training class that satisfies the requirement of this CCW permit from AZ?
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http://www.azdps.gov/Links/ARS/?l=13/03112.htm

Here's a link to the statute that spells it out. Sub section N covers exemptions to the 8 hr. training course. If you've ever taken hunter safety or any public or private firearms safety course they accept it.
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Can anyone in SD recommend me a training class that satisfies the requirement of this CCW permit from AZ?
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If you have no training or other documentation contact your local range or look on the NRA website for an NRA Basic Handgun Safety course. You may have something that meets their requirements already.
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Today 7/5: Emailed request for packet
7/5: 5 minutes later received confirmation that packet will be mailed.
7/6: Booked NRA Basic Pistol Class for evening of 7/7
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Does anyone know if the Florida CCW meets the Alternate Documents requirement? The statute says that the CCW must be "issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance."

Florida's training requirement is extremely liberal (participation in IDPA or USPSA suffices), but is still technically a requirement. I wonder if Arizona agrees.

Anyone use only their Florida CCW for this purpose?
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http://www.azdps.gov/Links/ARS/?l=13/03112.htm

Here's a link to the statute that spells it out. Sub section N covers exemptions to the 8 hr. training course. If you've ever taken hunter safety or any public or private firearms safety course they accept it.
Thanks, I just read it, it also says one must be a resident of AZ or an American Citizen, I currently am neither, will have to do this next year, hopefully.
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If you've ever taken...any public or private firearms safety course they accept it.
Not exactly. Most of the criteria requires that the course be approved by the Arizona DPS.

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N. An applicant shall demonstrate competence with a firearm through any of the following:

1. Completion of any firearms training program that is approved by the department of public safety and that is conducted by instructors who are authorized by the department of public safety or who possess current national rifle association instructor certifications in pistol and personal protection and who submit to a background investigation, including a check for warrants and a criminal history records check.

2. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class that is available to the general public, that is offered by a law enforcement agency, a junior college, a college or a private or public institution, academy, organization or firearms training school and that is approved by the department of public safety.
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Thanks, I just read it, it also says one must be a resident of AZ or an American Citizen, I currently am neither, will have to do this next year, hopefully.
Not necessarily. Says you must be a resident or citizen.

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Persons who were born outside of the United States or one of its territories must send a copy of proof of citizenship or alien status. Any of the following documents are acceptable:

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Record of Birth Abroad to Armed Forces Personnel
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Thanks, I just read it, it also says one must be a resident of AZ or an American Citizen, I currently am neither, will have to do this next year, hopefully.
How did you buy a gun if you are not a citizen?
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How did you buy a gun if you are not a citizen?
Resident aliens are not citizens. The constitution still affords them all the rights of a citizen, like firearms ownership and purchasing.

In fact, ANYONE who is on US soil legally is protected by the Constitution. There are some weird things with the 2A regarding, say, vacationers but overall the Constitution basically protects anyone legally on US soil. It's NOT just for citizens.
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Not exactly. Most of the criteria requires that the course be approved by the Arizona DPS.



Note that any NRA safety or training course is considered acceptable, though.




Not necessarily. Says you must be a resident or citizen.



http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concea...mits/Obtain/#1
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7/7: Completed course including live fire
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Here is the official word on having a Utah CCW.

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OK..update as of 7-8-11

sent ccw packet .......6-23-11
AZCCW received ......6-27-11
Issued permit .......7-6-11
in the mail today!!. ..7-8-11

So the Permit is in my hands!! yeehaw!!


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Question on the AZ CCW app....


Where it says COUNTY, should I choose any AZ county? Should I use the county that I reside in within CA? Or should I just leave it blank?


Also do you recommend putting the SSN on? I don't put them on my DROS forms when registering for a gun, but just wondering if it would help or not here as well.
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I have been eagerly checking the mailbox for days.
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Just to clarify: anyone will be approved to carry concealed (except felons/mentally unstable/etc.), but you still need to be issued a card. Right?

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Old 07-11-2011, 12:17 PM
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Just to clarify: anyone will be approved to carry concealed (except felons/mentally unstable/etc.), but you still need to be issued a card. Right?

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In AZ as long as you are legally allowed to own the gun you can carry it loaded and concealed. The reason to get the AZ CCW card is because as of July 1st Nevada will accept AZs CCW. This lets you carry in the two neighboring states.
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In AZ as long as you are legally allowed to own the gun you can carry it loaded and concealed. The reason to get the AZ CCW card is because as of July 1st Nevada will accept AZs CCW. This lets you carry in the two neighboring states.
Or while you're visiting AZ to carry in restaurants.
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