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On 60 Minutes last night
Watched this last night on 60 Minutes. Another thing to worry about. I have to say it was troubling to digest. I had no clue about this until last night.
A look at the "sovereign citizen" movement http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/...20062666.shtml |
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Yeah, been studying them for a while now... I suspect there are quite a few on this very board as well.
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Those guys have been around forever. They were real bad in the Bay Area in the late 70's to mid 80's. Very unreasonable people to deal with and dangerous as all hell. The groups I had dealings with all left the State for Idaho and Kentucky. If you ever run into any of them watch your back.
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Stopped one for a infraction in the mid 90s. Started with the sovereign citizen, you and the courts don't have any authority over me stuff and refused to sign the cite. After explaining that he could either go to jail now, or walk away after signing a piece of paper that he claimed had no authority over him anyway, he signed the cite.
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capitis diminutio maxima
Once you see it, you can't unsee it. I think they have real balls, trying to unscrew themselves from the system. Props to 'em. There's no reason these people should be demonized for standing up for individual liberty. This is an obvious hit piece so you won't try anything like this at home. Then again, people believed the already dead Bin Laden was killed on May first then thrown over the side of a boat, so they'll believe anything a three letter news agency says.
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Perhaps an alternative to the news agencies finding the most wingnutty versions of this movement for public roll out (again, so you won't try anything like this at home, have your friends laugh at you, and just play guitar hero and be a good serf) would be to research the movement for yourself. Look at the funny hippie! He doesn't dress in dockers like me!
People will believe anything if they're told it often enough: Magic people in the middle east 2000 years ago. Flying Saucers. Planes that pulverize and vanish when they hit the pentagon at 500 MPH. Scary guys with beards that hate your freedoms. Fluoride in the water is good for your child's teeth. Flu shots. Microwaving your food. Stands to reason the idea of individual liberty and divorcing yourself from the control grid should be demonized for public consumption since other erroneous claims are so easily accepted. Just sayin'.
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Some of them are right here on Calguns. Usually in the 2nd or OT forums. Sometimes they even troll here in the LEO forum.
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Those who confuse standing up for liberty with killing peace officers and politicians they disagree with are, well, confused.
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Yep, and it looks like more will be coming out of the woodwork.
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Here is a guy who sounds a lot like most here on CGN... He sounds a lot like most sane CGNers huh... The thing is, and I feel a lot of people on here don't understand this or believe it, the constitution IS open for interpretation... Some think the 2A gives them the right to own a nuke... Others feel its a collective right, and only applies to the national guard. That's why we have the SCOTUS, and separation of powers. Does the SCOTUS get thing wrong sometimes??? Sure. Things are not perfect, but nothing ever is. I hear people complain about "officer safety" but here we have a good example of why we are always cautious... We don't really know who we are dealing with, EVER!
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No worries bro... We had a discussion on it a few months ago, but it didn't go far. I don't get into the mix that often because of where I work, but I am somewhat of a poop magnet, so I try to stay on top of stuff like this since back up is generally 15 minutes at best.
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While some of their beliefs over lap with people who want liberty when you look at the totality of the movement it appears crazy. |
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Am I the only person who sees the hypocrisy in the video from the original post? You decry citizens killing cops (indeed, a horrible thing - should not have happened) yet the the white-haired police chief smirks at the end of the video and says he "might enjoy" doing the same thing to citizens. Where's the outrage over that?
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Well.......this thread ain't gonna last long........**SIGH**
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For the record - if somebody came to kill me, I'd kill them back first and I think the cop would be justified if he acted in self defense. But I don't sit around on television interviews fantasizing and telling the nation how much I'd enjoy doing it.
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Give a grieving father a little space. It's not like a Police Chief saying it about some unknown subordinate that he barely knows.
I didn't see the video, but the man is just verbally lashing out it seems like. I don't know of any father that wouldnt do that in that situation. And another one trying to deflect attention away from the 2 terrorists that cold bloodly killed a cop ..... |
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We have a lot of them here in Wyoming. Most of what they want is the norm here. Of course the DL issue comes up from time to time and many of them are just plain slob's so and if you live in a town the local goverment will sooner or later try to cite them. but generally they just want to be left alone. Violence is of course against everyones laws. If that happens they should be punished.
Here is one in Wyoming http://trib.com/news/local/casper/co...cc4c002e0.html But im not really sure who is crazier. Corrigan or the writer of the piece. She comes across like a east coast liberal but this is in heartland Wyoming.
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Wow, I didn't know this was still big. I met a few back in the late 80's. I wonder how much the ideaology has changed since then. The one's I met seemed a little more sane.
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Question for you - if Randy Weaver went on national TV and "issued a challenge" to BATFE agents, US Marshals, and local police and said he "might enjoy" killing them - would you give him the same space? After all, he's a grieving father (and husband).
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The radical members of this type of thinking "sovereign citizen" have a delusional vision as to how society works and what it takes to keep a civilized country operating. These types couldn't even exist if it were not for all those that sacrificed to build the USA. They want their cake without the everyday sacrifices, restrictions, 'taxes' and hard work it takes to have a safe secure society with plenty of food and healthy living conditions. If politics were left to these types, the USA would crumble in short order.
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With the events of late and the general anti-LE spirit here...is calguns a sovereign cover forum?
...just say'in
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My only beef is with the Sheriff at the very end of the video as far as talking about how far can you push the 1st Amend. and also I hope they would come after me comment he made at the very end.
Seems like a bunch of crazy people that are in this Sovereign Citizen thing. So now I am in the profile section of the SC because I am in my 30's unemployed with financial burdens, at least I am not divorced
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Now their talking about gun confiscation, and saying how well go after them like the movie red dawn. " Ackrite Ackrite is offline Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 25 iTrader: 1 / 100% Default They can also find out like they did in Red Dawn. Go to every gun shop and take all their 4473 forms " Last edited by Tacit Blue; 05-16-2011 at 9:29 PM.. |
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Now that I'm retired, I'm tempted to release a copy of the super secret DOJ Firearms Confiscation Plan. If I knew that I could do it without risking my multi-million dollar PERS retirement, I'd go for it.
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