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Old 05-12-2011, 8:11 PM
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Default OFFICIAL! Effective July 1, 2011 Nevada will begin recognizing Arizona CCW Permits!

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http://www.nvrepository.state.nv.us/ccw_changes.shtml

Effective July 1, 2011 Nevada will begin recognizing Arizona CCW Permits!

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I did a little searching and it looks like you're right. This is great news, although I'm a little irked that I wasted a trip up to Nevada last month

Also considering Arizona CCWs are extremely fast and easy to get, mine arrived in the mail in a week.
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So, it looks like the education requirement for an Arizona CCW can be satisfied with any other state's CCW? Or any NRA Certified Handgun Safety Class will work?

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13-3112. Concealed weapons; qualification; application; permit to carry; civil penalty; report; applicability

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E. The department of public safety shall issue a permit to an applicant who meets all of the following conditions:

1. Is a resident of this state or a United States citizen.

2. Is twenty-one years of age or older.

3. Is not under indictment for and has not been convicted in any jurisdiction of a felony unless that conviction has been expunged, set aside or vacated or the applicant's rights have been restored and the applicant is currently not a prohibited possessor under state or federal law.

4. Does not suffer from mental illness and has not been adjudicated mentally incompetent or committed to a mental institution.

5. Is not unlawfully present in the United States.

6. Has ever satisfactorily completed a firearms safety training program authorized by the department of public safety pursuant to subsection N, paragraph 1 of this section or has ever demonstrated competence with a firearm as prescribed by subsection N, paragraph 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or 9 of this section and provides adequate documentation that the person has satisfactorily completed a training program or demonstrated competence with a firearm in any state or political subdivision in the United States. For the purposes of this paragraph, "adequate documentation" means:

(a) A certificate, card or document of completion from a firearms safety training program authorized pursuant to subsection N, paragraph 1 of this section, dated not more than five years earlier than the date of application, that has affixed to it the stamp, signature or seal of the instructor or organization that conducted the program, or a current or expired permit issued by the department of public safety pursuant to this section.

(b) An original or copy of a certificate, card or document that shows the applicant has completed any course or class prescribed by subsection N, paragraph 2, 3, 4, 5, 8 or 9 of this section or an affidavit from the instructor, school, club or organization that conducted or taught the course or class attesting to the applicant's completion of the course or class.

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(d) An original or a copy of a concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or a license as prescribed by subsection N, paragraph 7 of this section.

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N. An applicant shall demonstrate competence with a firearm through any of the following:

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4. Completion of any national rifle association firearms safety or training course.

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7. A valid current or expired concealed weapon, firearm or handgun permit or license that is issued by another state or a political subdivision of another state and that has a training or testing requirement for initial issuance.

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Do you have to go to Arizona to get their permit or can you mail your info for a non-resident?
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Do you have to go to Arizona to get their permit or can you mail your info for a non-resident?
You used to have to go to Arizona to take a course, but not anymore. Just e-mail the Arizona Department of Public Safety and ask for a CCW packet. The fee is $60, so it's a pretty easy permit to get.
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You used to have to go to Arizona to take a course, but not anymore. Just e-mail the Arizona Department of Public Safety and ask for a CCW packet. The fee is $60, so it's a pretty easy permit to get.
^^THIS^^ And the turn around time is extremely fast.

I have a NV and a AZ but I was wondering if the AZ will have 100% of the same rights/laws as the NV CCW while in NV?

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I got a packet on the way, now I just need confirmation that NV will honor it after 7/1. I called AZ, but they couldn't confirm. The lady I spoke to just said that she knew it was up for review, but she didn't know that it had been decided. Do you happen to have a link audiophil2?
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One less permit I need!
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I need to take the class first before I call for a packet, correct?
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I'm waiting on clarification if non-resident permits will be honored or not. This is kind of the big thing with most places that recognize other states permits... some of them don't recognize non-resident permits or have additional limitiation on them.
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I'm waiting on clarification if non-resident permits will be honored or not. This is kind of the big thing with most places that recognize other states permits... some of them don't recognize non-resident permits or have additional limitiation on them.
NV treats non-resident and resident permits the same.
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I got a packet on the way, now I just need confirmation that NV will honor it after 7/1. I called AZ, but they couldn't confirm. The lady I spoke to just said that she knew it was up for review, but she didn't know that it had been decided. Do you happen to have a link audiophil2?
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Nevada is very slow to update websites. You can contact Executive Director Frank Adams (info in post #1) for more info or you can just wait a few weeks for an official announcement on http://www.nvsca.com/.

This announcement was made by Arizona Citizens Defense League yesterday.
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NV treats non-resident and resident permits the same.
You mean AZ? I was going to post that they only issue one permit, regardless of whether you're a resident or not, but maybe that's what you meant?
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for the fingerprint cards, does anybody know where i have to take them to get done, and what the cost is?
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awesome!! I got UTAH, FLORIDA, and OREGON. Will one of those satisfy the training requirement? I emailed AZ for the packet.
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awesome!! I got UTAH, FLORIDA, and OREGON. Will one of those satisfy the training requirement? I emailed AZ for the packet.
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I love how most every other state is moving forward with their 2A
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for the fingerprint cards, does anybody know where i have to take them to get done, and what the cost is?
The packet will tell you all you need to know. They are really fast at getting you your CCW once you turn everything in, assuming you did not mess anything up. No photo on AZ CCW but it's a very clean and pro looking CCW.
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Military training will also satisfy the Az CCW training requirement.
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Hmm, which one shall I go for? Arizona's or Nevada's CCW.

AZ CCW fee $60 plus fingerprinting costs.

OR

NV CCW fee $105 plus additional costs.

Additional costs for NV:
In state training class by an approved instructor.
Travel to and from NV.
Overnight stay to file completed forms in person.
Meals and other incidentals during your stay in NV.
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Couple questions just to clarify:

1) Is it 100% sure that NV will be recognizing AZ CCW permits?

2) Is it 100% sure that you can get an AZ CCW permit without going there if you have a current CA CCW permit?



If so it would be great since I go to NV a few times a year, but never leave CA otherwise.
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Couple questions just to clarify:

1) Is it 100% sure that NV will be recognizing AZ CCW permits?

2) Is it 100% sure that you can get an AZ CCW permit without going there if you have a current CA CCW permit?



If so it would be great since I go to NV a few times a year, but never leave CA otherwise.
You can for sure get a AZ CCW without driving there. I did. I used my CCW class document and a copy of my CA CCW, prints and the $ and had the AZ back fast. Email and ask for the CCW packet. They send it out the next day.

As for the other question, it appears that still going through legal channels but I assume as others do, it will go through.
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Huh. NV supposedly dropped UT because no live fire was needed for a UT permit yet they're going to honor AZ even though AZ accepts decades old military service as acceptable training. Politics me thinks.
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Huh. NV supposedly dropped UT because no live fire was needed for a UT permit yet they're going to honor AZ even though AZ accepts decades old military service as acceptable training. Politics me thinks.
May be some politics here, yes.

But myself personally, I'm onboard with giving documented ex military a pass on any qualification shots. I went to an 8 hour course to get my permit, which is nothing compared to what the military obviously see.
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awesome!! I got UTAH, FLORIDA, and OREGON. Will one of those satisfy the training requirement? I emailed AZ for the packet.
I have a Florida resident permit which satisfied the Arizona requirement. If you ask by email they will answer whether a non-resident permit will also satisfy the requirement. My guess is it will. Arizona turnaround time is very fast. I got my AZ permit in 4 days.
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Effective July 1, 2011 Nevada will begin recognizing Arizona CCW Permits!

Info is not updated on NV website but you can contact below to double check.

Association Office: Frank Adams, Executive Director
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(866) 266-9870 FAX (702) 346-0693
I asked about this at Nevadashooters a few days ago. Nobody seemed to know anything about it there other than what Gary Slider of handgunlaw.us had posted on a couple of forums. This will be good news for me since NV stopped reciprocity with FL after FL went to a 7 year permit. I may still get my NV permit since I like to support 2A friendly states.
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Thank you very much for the info. Sent in my request.

For the all others here is the link to the email page for them

http://www.azdps.gov/Services/Concea...apons/Contact/
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Looks like I will need to get my AZ permit. I foolishly let my NV permit expire when they still accepted UT. Then surprise-they no longer accept it. Keep meaning to re-do it, but if AZ is a quick fix, I may do that instead, or at least until I can make time to go to NV and get it again.
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...But myself personally, I'm onboard with giving documented ex military a pass on any qualification shots...
I agree. Just saying that someone who served 30 years ago and not handled a gun since qualifies for AZ. This and with AZ now being even easier to get than Utah (which NV dropped) all seems to fly in the face of their stance on granting reciprocity. Be interesting to see if this really pans out.
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I agree. Just saying that someone who served 30 years ago and not handled a gun since qualifies for AZ. This and with AZ now being even easier to get than Utah (which NV dropped) all seems to fly in the face of their stance on granting reciprocity. Be interesting to see if this really pans out.
That's what I was thinking when I saw this. I took a training class within Arizona, and the class was the easiest one I've ever took and didn't even cover any of the laws. I'd be very interested in learning how NV chooses which states to reciprocate with.
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I agree. Just saying that someone who served 30 years ago and not handled a gun since qualifies for AZ. This and with AZ now being even easier to get than Utah (which NV dropped) all seems to fly in the face of their stance on granting reciprocity. Be interesting to see if this really pans out.

Because of this I'd prefer an NRA national standard all states follow and of course Shall Issue after you pass the class and DOJ/FBI check.
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Because of this I'd prefer an NRA national standard all states follow and of course Shall Issue after you pass the class and DOJ/FBI check.
I prefer Constitutional Carry myself. Seems to be working very well in the states that have it. I've forgotten my wallet a few times in the last year and have still been able to legally CCW without my permit.
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You can for sure get a AZ CCW without driving there. I did. I used my CCW class document and a copy of my CA CCW, prints and the $ and had the AZ back fast. Email and ask for the CCW packet. They send it out the next day.

As for the other question, it appears that still going through legal channels but I assume as others do, it will go through.

This is excellent news. The wife and I had been loosely planning a multi day trip to Nevada so I could get my CCW for there.

Based on this, I'll just skip that and get the Arizona CCW. With my CA, CCW, and the one in process for Oregon, I'll be covered for most anywhere we are likely to go.

Thanks for the info!!!!!!!!!
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I prefer Constitutional Carry myself. Seems to be working very well in the states that have it. I've forgotten my wallet a few times in the last year and have still been able to legally CCW without my permit.
That would be nice! My only thought is... isn't it the permit that separates us from the bad guys? I know the cops are supposed to treat us like good guys until we give them reason to think otherwise, but they certainly have more of a reason to think I'm a good guy if I've gone through the process of getting a ccw.
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I just sent off my email as well.

This is very good news as I have family in Vegas and travel there often. Will add this to my Florida and hopefully soon my California permit.

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