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Old 05-02-2011, 11:56 PM
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Default s12- full choke, adjustable choke, brake, flash hider...WTF!!!!

Yes, i'm slightly retarded.. Yes I searched. YES i'm confused.

So I need something to screw onto the threads of a Saiga s12 so that it will be compliant with 1. Just using the threaded device and 2. a 3 part, usa made magazine. I want mulit-purpose- IE: can shoot SLUGS and 00 buck mostly, birdshot would be a bonus. Reduced recoil is always nice too. Suggestions?

Are the adjustable chokes as good as having 3 different chokes?
What will change if I just run a brake? What difference will I see in both recoil and shooting performance between a brake and adjustable choke when using slugs, 00, and birdshot?

Any tips, leads, advice is appiriciated. I checked out the saiga forums with little luck. Thanks!
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:46 AM
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Muzzle-end brakes are unnecessary and useless on shotguns. Not enough pressure from shotshells to "brake" any recoil. They look cool though.
Get a Polychoke if you plan to do some trap shooting. Nine settings. It covers all your choking needs from wide open to full choke.
http://www.poly-choke.com/choke2.htm
Get the unslotted version. Lighter and less cleaning headache.
If you never shoot beyond 20 yards, don't waste your money on any choke for the Saiga 12.
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Old 05-03-2011, 2:19 PM
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Thank you sir! That is info i have not heard yet. Looks like i'll be grabbing the poly-choke unless anyone else dissagrees.
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Old 05-03-2011, 3:33 PM
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Muzzle-end brakes are unnecessary and useless on shotguns. Not enough pressure from shotshells to "brake" any recoil. They look cool though.
Get a Polychoke if you plan to do some trap shooting. Nine settings. It covers all your choking needs from wide open to full choke.
http://www.poly-choke.com/choke2.htm
Get the unslotted version. Lighter and less cleaning headache.
If you never shoot beyond 20 yards, don't waste your money on any choke for the Saiga 12.
Have you done testing to determine the how effective brakes are on a shotgun? Have you tested them with different types of ammo?

"unnecessary and useless" is a pretty bold statement unless you have documentation to back it up.
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Old 05-03-2011, 4:22 PM
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Poly-Choke II.

It's so awesome.

http://www.poly-choke.com/choke2.htm

Made in 'Merica and it works as advertised. If I ever own any other shotguns that I intend to use for anything but HD, they're getting one as well.
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Old 05-03-2011, 10:20 PM
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If you want a choke go with the polychoke. Definitely the way to go. I shoot my 19 in Saiga 12 shooting skeet (thrown by a handheld thrower) without a choke no problem. I'm sure I could shoot a lot further with one but I never need to. I like the look of muzzle breaks. I bought this one because I think it looks awesome, but to each their own. http://store.carolinashooterssupply....E-BRAKE/Detail
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Old 06-08-2011, 11:44 AM
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+1 on the Polychoke. For functionality, there's nothing better you could put on the end of your barrel. I like the look of the slotted version but it is a pain to clean. There are also flash suppressor and breacher versions but I can't speak to their efficacy. The pointy breachers look cool but I kept catching them on fabric and jabbing myself with them so I tend to avoid them.
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Old 06-08-2011, 11:48 AM
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+1 on the Polychoke. For functionality, there's nothing better you could put on the end of your barrel. I like the look of the slotted version but it is a pain to clean. There are also flash suppressor and breacher versions but I can't speak to their efficacy. The pointy breachers look cool but I kept catching them on fabric and jabbing myself with them so I tend to avoid them.
Out of curiosity: why on Earth would you clean the choke?

I mean, I understand a basic rub-down but you don't need to polish the slots or anything.
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Old 06-08-2011, 12:03 PM
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Have you done testing to determine the how effective brakes are on a shotgun? Have you tested them with different types of ammo?

"unnecessary and useless" is a pretty bold statement unless you have documentation to back it up.
Note I said Muzzle-End brakes.
Others have already proven how to properly "brake" a Saiga 12. $3000+ setup though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FziECY1mSaY
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useless,, I think not. Brakes are used to help control muzzle flip. Sounds like what you're saying that a 12ga has no measurable muzzle rise, so installing a brake would make no difference.
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Old 06-08-2011, 4:15 PM
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Muzzle brakes ...ported barrels ...certainly make any gun louder. Depending upon design and placement they may assist somewhat in minimizing muzzle flip. Ports and slots get dirty, quickly, and are a pain to clean. There is absolutely no recoil reduction gained through these types of add-on's.

A well practiced technique is key in controlling any gun.

The old [and it is old] PolyChoke does work to vary choke constriction, quickly. It is almost as if the "HD"/Tactical style guns were made for the PolyChoke as an add-on. Buy the plain one ...not slotted. Reasons as stated.

Learn to how to handle and shoot your gun. Invest in quality training/instruction ...this is the only way to "buy game". In the long and short term, money first spent in training instead of "gadgets" a much better investment. Period.

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No muzzle device on mine and it works perfectly fine.

Best thing you can do to a Saiga 12 is have the bolt and carrier profiled and polished so that it can cycle any load.

If you want to control muzzle rise you can always put a big piece of lead weight on the barrel.
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Old 06-08-2011, 9:28 PM
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No muzzle device on mine and it works perfectly fine.

Best thing you can do to a Saiga 12 is have the bolt and carrier profiled and polished so that it can cycle any load.

If you want to control muzzle rise you can always put a big piece of lead weight on the barrel.
You have no brake on yours, so how can you comment if they are effective or not.
I do not have a brake on my SLP that I use for competition. That would put me in OPEN DIV. I do run a brake on my HD Mossberg 500. and it is effective at helping to control muzzle flip and tightens up most shot patterns.




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