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Old 04-14-2011, 1:20 PM
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All,

A brief note to clear the air with respect to a nasty rumor floating around.

There seems to be one or more gun owners in the Northern California area who have recently asserted publicly that CGF is looking for volunteers to be arrested for an illegal SB23 AW. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE.

CGF WOULD NEVER ASK ANYONE TO COMMIT A CRIME. DO NOT COMMIT A CRIME FOR ANY REASON.

If anyone has additional info on this, please 1) SHUT IT DOWN, and 2) PM me or any CGF board member.

Thanks for your attention and looking out for your fellow gun owners.

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All,

A brief note to clear the air with respect to a nasty rumor floating around.

There seems to be one or more gun owners in the Northern California area who have recently asserted publicly that CGF is looking for volunteers to be arrested for an illegal SB23 AW. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE.

CGF WOULD NEVER ASK ANYONE TO COMMIT A CRIME. DO NOT COMMIT A CRIME FOR ANY REASON.

If anyone has additional info on this, please 1) SHUT IT DOWN, and 2) PM me or any CGF board member.

Thanks for your attention and looking out for your fellow gun owners.

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PLEASE DO NOT BE AN IDIOT
Who believes this crap?

We need to find the person or people who started this rumor and flog them.
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Color me crazy but I am pretty sure advocating someone to take a potential felony rap on purpose would be very foolish. And the next to last trait I would ever think to ascribe anyone involved with the CGF effort / board is foolishness.

Sadistically pulling the wings off small insects for sport would be the last trait I would ascribe.... but I don't know them all well enough to judge that one yet....
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Were people actually volunteering for this?
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There seems to be one or more gun owners in the Northern California area who have recently asserted publicly that CGF is looking for volunteers to be arrested for an illegal SB23 AW. THIS IS ABSOLUTELY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY FALSE.
Are these morons really gun owners? And if so, have they volunteered themselves yet?

If not, that should tell everyone everything they need to know about this.
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It was me

But, the LEO swore to me that my Winchester model 1894 was not an assault rifle and he refused to arrest me.

Jeez Louise! Who comes up with this crap??? "HMM what do you want to do today Bubba?" "I don't know?" "Wanna get arrested on AW charges today? I guess its something to do anyway."
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It could simply be someone trying to bait calguns into doing something stupid. Wouldn't that be a coup for the anti-gun zealots to nail someone associated with calguns. then they could point an accusatory finger and tell everyone how evil calguns is.
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Were people actually volunteering for this?
People volunteer to be suicide bombers, so why should this come as any surprise? I would hope and expect, though, that the type of person who frequents these boards (well, except for the odd LCAV or DOJ spy) is too intelligent to consider something this stupid.
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Sooo.... I shouldn't walk down the street in purple combat boots, a tutu, Chewbaca mask, slathered in grape jello with my AR slung across my back with a loaded 30 rounder in with BB removed and a round chambered?


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I hope who ever is spreading this rumor gets shutdown fast!
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Sooo.... I shouldn't walk down the street in purple combat boots, a tutu, Chewbaca mask, slathered in grape jello with my AR slung across my back with a loaded 30 rounder in with BB removed and a round chambered?


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I'm hoping this is Anti's trying to get CGN in trouble. It would be so nice to slam them for that!!!

There's only a few things i'm willing to get arrested for, and none of them have anything to do with assault weapons (unless you cont the scenario where i use an AW to slaughter those that killed my family, but that's really the only one, i swear!)
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Brandon,

All you have to do is ask the person who you heard it from where they heard it and follow the chain back to the source. The first time you get the "I don't want to tell and get someone in trouble" you've found your idiot.
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i think it would be smarter to experiment with condoms, toilet paper, and lighter fluid, than get myself arrested for an AW charge.
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All you have to do is ask the person who you heard it from where they heard it and follow the chain back to the source. The first time you get the "I don't want to tell and get someone in trouble" you've found your idiot.
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It doesn't help that there's a lot of cryptic strategic talk with vague details, particularly related to legal proceedings and questionable points of the law, to make the unorthodox seem plausible.
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Who would do that- how about a shill, like people from certain agencies who need more funding and run guns south of the border and turn around and say "80% of guns in Mexico are from the US". Staged arrest do occur for political purposes.
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Who in their right mind would actually begin to contemplate doing such a thing?

I hope the one's responsible for this have a rigorous meeting with a sack of door knobs.
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i think it would be smarter to experiment with condoms, toilet paper, and lighter fluid, than get myself arrested for an AW charge.
Absolutely.

OTOH, a lubricated condom, a firecracker, a couple cc's of hydrochloric acid, a wooden match, a copper penny and some natural gas can be quite entertaining.

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It could simply be someone trying to bait calguns into doing something stupid. Wouldn't that be a coup for the anti-gun zealots to nail someone associated with calguns. then they could point an accusatory finger and tell everyone how evil calguns is.
Very plausible reason..especially since there are quite likely many anti's who view with great concern the continuing growth of Calguns and its effective activities.
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Who would do that- how bout a shill, like people from certain agencies who need more funding anf run guns to Mexico and say all our guns are illegally going to Mexico. Staged arrest do occur for political purposes.
Given the other shenanigans that have been going on, I wouldn't doubt a staged arrest and trial for political purposes in the slightest .
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It doesn't help that there's a lot of cryptic strategic talk with vague details, particularly related to legal proceedings and questionable points of the law, to make the unorthodox seem plausible.
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It doesn't help when certain "right people" pull their "I know a secret but I'm not telling" glory trip. If you have a secret plan to blow up gun control, then keep it secret, don't tease us with "I have a secret (and that makes me important!)"
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Haha. If it weren't for the fact that this is in the 2A section, I would've believed this to be a joke. Who would believe that CGN would incite people to commit a felony?
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It doesn't help when certain "right people" pull their "I know a secret but I'm not telling" glory trip. If you have a secret plan to blow up gun control, then keep it secret, don't tease us with "I have a secret (and that makes me important!)"
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Wow! Really? Wow! What idiot(s) are going around giving that great advice and giving CGF "credit" for it? Some people are unbelievable.
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Well it sure as hell beats walking down the street wearing an "Obama08" t-shirt. Now THAT would be embarrassing.
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I have not heard this one. But it sounds like something that gets passed around by people who have nothing better to do.

1) Asking someone to commit a crime is IN ITSELF ILLEGAL!

2) Participating in that crime is ILLEGAL!


Me, and everyone I know, have spent the last several years TELLING PEOPLE HOW TO REMAIN LEGAL AND HOW TO OBEY ALL LAWS. And that's not just on Calguns.

I can't tell you how many people I have politely counseled on the AW laws.

All it takes is one idiot to ruin everything.

I hate to keep repeating my "morals" mantra - but the reality is that we lose ALL CREDIBILITY as a coherent movement if we attempt to do anything that is not (1) legal, (2) ethical, and (3) moral.

This is stuff that people should have learned in kindergarten, and I am fully prepared to send someone to the corner wearing a dunce cap if I spot them (or hear about them) doing something that jeopardizes this.

I'm not the type of person who "sells people out" - but if I hear of someone doing something illegal with the clear intent of purposely trying to harm the California 2A Rights Movement, and if for me to to do so does not otherwise violate the attorney ethics that I am required by law to adhere to, I will personally pick up the phone and call one of my contacts at DOJ/ATF - and I WILL NOT LOSE ONE SECOND OF SLEEP OVER IT.

I am THAT serious about this issue. Do not even test me on this.

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I tend to agree with this, but I think that it's more subtle. . .

1) If someone says that "the Calguns Foundation has successfully defended people who were improperly arrested," they would be telling the truth:

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/new...-defenses.html

2) If someone says that "the CGF works to help people who have been improperly arrested," they would be telling the truth:

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/cgf-hotline.html

3) If someone says that "the CGF has changed state law and is changing state law through strategic litigation," they would be telling the truth:

http://www.calgunsfoundation.org/abo...me-lately.html

--- Personally, I think what happened here is that someone simply read all that, and formed some "wacky conclusion." This "wacky conclusion" has no basis in reality. But, as we all know - the public school system is generally failing here in California, and many people lack simple reasoning skills.

That being said, if I find someone who is deliberately doing something illegal in some sort of forlorn hope that CGF will come "rescue" them, and they refuse to listen to my "polite counseling" on the topic, I will do what I need to do (legally and ethically) to prevent them from harming the work that so many people have spent every free hour of their waking lives doing. . .

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