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Old 04-06-2011, 5:44 PM
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While I wait 7 more days in jail, I figured it'd be a good time to purchase some dummy rounds as it's my first handgun. The thing I noticed though when poking around, is that no one really mentioned a superb manufacture.

I heard Azoom snap caps were good, but after 25 cycles or so the metla would be worn and you'd have shavings in your barrel. Heard the plastic ones don't always load properly and jam.

I've also read about some from Brownells.com and letargets.com, but again, no one really said much about them.

Any suggestions? I can order online, or go to any store in Northern LA county. Thanks folks.
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Old 04-06-2011, 5:48 PM
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the ones I've been using lately came from here

http://www.stactionpro.com/
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the ones I've been using lately came from here

http://www.stactionpro.com/
Doh. Those looks pretty sweet, thanks. However, I should have mentioned I need 9mm rounds which are currently sold out.
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Old 04-06-2011, 6:07 PM
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I haven't had that many problems with the Tipton brand. As the original poster noted the Azoom tend to get chewed up. I've found that they will gouge more than the Tiptons, eventually causing more feed failures. I've used Tiptons in XD. EMP, Beretta and HK. I've seen small brass particles being shaved off but a blast of air takes care of that.

I like the elastic primer section of the Azooms more than the spring loaded primers of the Tiptons. the latter gets dented as the firing pin hits them. Ideally, I'd put the elastic primers in the Tiptons.

If we are talking revolvers, Azooms are great. You don't have to worry about the gouging of the rims, and when you open the cylinder and see Azoom on the base, you've got a pretty good idea you've got snap caps loaded.

Finally, I found Azooms for my shotgun (20 ga) but not Tiptons.
And Tiptons make some "snap caps" for .22 where Azoom has some action testers, but not snap caps. And those Tiptons are .22 short. A big pain, but cheap.

There is no perfect solution that I've been able to find. Good luck in your search.
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Cool, maybe I'll just turners when I pick up my firearm and go from there. I guess I probably won't need them to last forever, so maybe Azoom's will do.
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Good luck.

Unless you settle for the spring loaded plastic POS's, everyone is on backorder on 9mm.

I checked 6 gun shops last weekend including BassPro, Cabelas, Midway, Brownelle's....
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The best dummy rounds come out my my Dillon XL-650, pull the decapping pin, resize, no powder dump. seat bullet, taper crimp bullet. After many malfunction drills, bullet set back, pull bullet and start over again.
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I use A-zoom in 9mm, .40 x 2, .45 and 12 gauge shot gun... never a problem with any of them...

I've never used another brand in any of the pistols (only because I've never come across any locally) - but I tried some plastic pos 12 gauge from Big-5, they were junk and jammed every time, took 'em back after one day and went to Turners for A-zoom.

The shotgun snap caps do get pretty beat up - but only minor scratches (anodizing comes off in select areas) - but that hasn't happened with any of the pistol snap caps.

I need to get some 7.62x39 now... I just looked at the Action Trainer version linked above - they don't have any if I didnt already have so many A-zoom, I'd get some of those in other calibers...
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The best dummy rounds come out my my Dillon XL-650, pull the decapping pin, resize, no powder dump. seat bullet, taper crimp bullet. After many malfunction drills, bullet set back, pull bullet and start over again.
I'm not a big fan of this, simply due to the possibility (probability) of confusing live ammo with the dummies.
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I've been using the A-zooms with no problems. The paint on the rim of the cartridge wears off eventually but I haven't seen any shavings or anything like that.
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I've also never had a problem with A-zooms. The finish comes off after usage but mine still function flawlessly and there are absolutely no shavings that others report.
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Good luck.

Unless you settle for the spring loaded plastic POS's, everyone is on backorder on 9mm.

I checked 6 gun shops last weekend including BassPro, Cabelas, Midway, Brownelle's....
I just ordered 9mm Azooms from Midway...
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I just ordered 9mm Azooms from Midway...
Just checked again... still backordered.

They'll let you put them in your cart, but they aren't in stock.
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Just checked again... still backordered.

They'll let you put them in your cart, but they aren't in stock.
Odd, they were just delivered on Tuesday... I guess I ordered the last ones!
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Odd, they were just delivered on Tuesday... I guess I ordered the last ones!
That's okay... you scooped us on the a-zooms.


I just cleaned out the Chino Hills WM of WWB 9mm 100rd value packs.

I didn't intend to. I walked in intending to buy 4 boxes.
They were low... the guys in front of me bought one or two.
I asked for 4. Guy bagged them along with a couple of other items and I paid my $144.

On the way out, I looked at the receipt (and I never do that).
He charged me for FIVE boxes.
I went back and he was tied up on the phone in at auto service desk. One of the other guys looked at the receipt, checked the remaining box, realized the guy was going to be "a while", and handed me the 5th box.
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That's okay... you scooped us on the a-zooms.


I just cleaned out the Chino Hills WM of WWB 9mm 100rd value packs.

I didn't intend to. I walked in intending to buy 4 boxes.
They were low... the guys in front of me bought one or two.
I asked for 4. Guy bagged them along with a couple of other items and I paid my $144.

On the way out, I looked at the receipt (and I never do that).
He charged me for FIVE boxes.
I went back and he was tied up on the phone in at auto service desk. One of the other guys looked at the receipt, checked the remaining box, realized the guy was going to be "a while", and handed me the 5th box.
Nice! I can't remember the last time I bought ammo from a brick and mortar type establishment... UPS is my usual supplier these days.
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Nice! I can't remember the last time I bought ammo from a brick and mortar type establishment... UPS is my usual supplier these days.
Same here for the most part (though I really should start reloading for the 357mag), but at $22.97 for the 100rd packs, even after tax that's still a couple of bucks a box better than my usual online sources.
Turners is $29 something for the same boxes.

I would be more excited, but I remember paying $13 for a box in '07.
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The best dummy rounds come out my my Dillon XL-650, pull the decapping pin, resize, no powder dump. seat bullet, taper crimp bullet. After many malfunction drills, bullet set back, pull bullet and start over again.
Same here except I use a 550B. I put a bit of silicone in the primer pocket to act as cushion for the firing pin -- probably not really necessary -- and to make them more easily recognizable as dummy rounds.
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Found some on fleabay if you're still looking.

http://cgi.ebay.com/9mm-Snap-Caps-Se...f#ht_880wt_875
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Found some on fleabay if you're still looking.

http://cgi.ebay.com/9mm-Snap-Caps-Se...f#ht_880wt_875
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I dont know if this brand is any good - but dealer I use has 'em in stock:

http://www.hinterlandoutfitters.com/...ps-p-7089.html

*Edit - I guess they are A-zoom... I guess Pachmayr is the manufacturer... I didnt realize that (and I have four different sets of theirs :\)

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I got 9mm ones and I'm sure you can find some on Amazon.com
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I'm not a big fan of this, simply due to the possibility (probability) of confusing live ammo with the dummies.
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I also dislike this because of the same reason.. It's too unnerving to chamber check and see what looks like "live" ammo..

I like the azooms, but I still have a bunch of the plastic red ones.. As others have stated, they're POS's.. I had them for a few years but they all cracked..

If I were going to purchase them, I'd probably just go with the Azooms for simplicity.. They're cheap considering how long you'll have them..
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+1 more for A-Zooms. They're what my local shops carry and recommended me. Looked at the plastic ones and they didn't seem like they were that great. As for wear, the 10 .45s only have paint removed where it meets the chamber and where the extractor grabs them. The 7.5Swiss ones I have though, they are roughed up pretty bad. I've only found 2 from eBay and have been searching for more.
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I like A-Zooms. The plastic ones fall apart in short order, I think they're for snapping your gun once just before storage, and not really dummy rounds.

I used to load up dummy rounds, found out quick you have to jam some kind of filler in the case or the bullet will collapse into it. Also, with an empty primer pocket they don't cushion the firing pin and you might as well be snapping it empty. Tried various fillers (pencil eraser, silicone) but none lasted long.

Some others listed here don't have weight (basically an empty case with a piece of plastic) or anything to absorb the firing pin blow, and thus I wouldn't credit them with being full-fledged dummy rounds or snap caps. A-Zooms have both.
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the ones I've been using lately came from here

http://www.stactionpro.com/
this. i like the 12 gauge ones for reload drills. kinda fun sometimes.
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Midway has a sale on range bags (their brand). The quality is excellent and the price is the lowest you'll find anywhere.
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