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Old 04-06-2011, 2:01 PM
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Hello all. Newbie here and I sure do not want to beat a dead horse, but I need info to build a "Cali Legal" FN FAL. I was wondering if even buying a DSA reciever was even possible in this bizzare state so dedicated to quashing our rights with "bullet buttons" and "fixed mags" and all the other erroneous nonsense. Is it possible to retain the pistol grip? I plan on making the mag detachable only with the use of a tool, will have more than 7 US made parts, a ten round mag, a permanently fixed muzzle brake, and anything else I need to comply with the BS being shoved down our collective throats. Any info that the more informed people on here have would be greatly appreciated, and taken very seriously. Thanking you all in advance, JGJ
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Old 04-06-2011, 2:12 PM
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first of all, click on the AW & OLL guide on top of the forum, learn the laws in and out, live by them, die by them.

But yes, you can build a FAL pattern rifle from a DSA receiver, or any receiver that isnt specifically banned by name (once again, see the AW guide) so unfortunately a true FN made FAL is out of the question.

Having a magazine lock, or "bullet button" means you can have as many evil features as you want, pistol grip, flash hider, folding/collapsing buttstock, forward pistol grip etc etc.

no need to permanently fix the muzzle brake, unless it is to
1) get the barrel over the 16in length requirement to avoid building an illegal SBR
or
2) you have a folding or a collapsing stock, and in its shortest configuration the rifle is under 30in, which is illegal as per CA law. In its shortest form the rifle MUST be at least 30in.
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Old 04-06-2011, 2:25 PM
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Entreprise Arms (Irwindale, Ca) sells CA-compliant FAL style (STG58) rifles. They even occasionally sell minor blemished models for $699
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Hello all. Newbie here and I sure do not want to beat a dead horse, but I need info to build a "Cali Legal" FN FAL. I was wondering if even buying a DSA reciever was even possible in this bizzare state so dedicated to quashing our rights with "bullet buttons" and "fixed mags" and all the other erroneous nonsense. Is it possible to retain the pistol grip? I plan on making the mag detachable only with the use of a tool, will have more than 7 US made parts, a ten round mag, a permanently fixed muzzle brake, and anything else I need to comply with the BS being shoved down our collective throats. Any info that the more informed people on here have would be greatly appreciated, and taken very seriously. Thanking you all in advance, JGJ
Long as you have the bullet button,everything is legal pistol grip ,muzzle break folding stock.no twenty round mags though.Ammo bros in norwalk has them at 899.00 by Entreprise.
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Old 04-21-2011, 9:25 PM
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Hello all. Newbie here and I sure do not want to beat a dead horse, but I need info to build a "Cali Legal" FN FAL. I was wondering if even buying a DSA reciever was even possible in this bizzare state so dedicated to quashing our rights with "bullet buttons" and "fixed mags" and all the other erroneous nonsense. Is it possible to retain the pistol grip? I plan on making the mag detachable only with the use of a tool, will have more than 7 US made parts, a ten round mag, a permanently fixed muzzle brake, and anything else I need to comply with the BS being shoved down our collective throats. Any info that the more informed people on here have would be greatly appreciated, and taken very seriously. Thanking you all in advance, JGJ
The other option is a Solar Tactical grip strap on the pistol grip so you can keep your stock detachable magazine release and use any 20 or even 30 round mags you may happen to have. You cannot use a magazine larger than 10 rounds with the bullet button per the law.

Grip straps aren't very attractive and they are a little odd to grasp, but it's a worthwhile consideration as opposed to a fixed 10 round bullet button config. I'm a recent convert to grip straps and glad I listened to other members on this forum that suggested this particular modification. It certainly opened up my options.

The additional consideration discussed on the do it yourself gunsmithing board is to epoxy the pistol grip and grip strap together, don't just screw it on. This will make the pistol grip and strap a single unit and all but impossible to remove without destroying the grip if per chance an interaction with law enforcement goes poorly and a less than ethical LEO with a leatherman tool decided to make some adjustments to your weapon before checking it into evidence. This is a CYA move more so than as written in law, but the harder a specific modification is to reverse, the better. FAL pistol grips run $5.00 to $10.00, so no great hardship to buy a few.

Stripper clip fed FALs don't make much sense to me. You could buy a C&R FN49 that is a 10 shot fixed mag configuration that is stripper clip fed for that and it will probably cost you less than $700.00.

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any pics?
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DSA receivers are just fine here and so are Imbel. Muzzle device does not have to be permanent unless you need to bring the overall barrel length to 16 inches. 10 round mag is the max you can have with a rifle with features and must have a bullet button type mag locking device. If you go featureless you can drop mags as you wish and use any pre y2k 10+ round magazines you have.

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Just be sure you get a "mag release" that allows you to open the FAL
in the normal way so you can get the BOLT out---some of the so called
BB master design types don't allow for this which makes them Clusterficks,
along with their "intellectual property" rights. Pete


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Just be sure you get a "mag release" that allows you to open the FAL
in the normal way so you can get the BOLT out---some of the so called
BB master design types don't allow for this which makes them Clusterficks,
along with their "intellectual property" rights. Pete

You have no idea what you are talking about, dude.

How many times can you post the pic of that same SLR, btw? You're almost as bad as the guy with the M1A in his backyard.
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Old 04-22-2011, 4:29 PM
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Just be sure you get a "mag release" that allows you to open the FAL
in the normal way so you can get the BOLT out---some of the so called
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along with their "intellectual property" rights. Pete
How hard is it to pull a pivot pin for cleaning?

Sounds like your issues are not really about a particular BB design?
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You have no idea what you are talking about, dude.

How many times can you post the pic of that same SLR, btw? You're almost as bad as the guy with the M1A in his backyard.
Jeez, so don't look if it hurts your eyes.
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Nice, especially the C2A1!
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Nice, especially the C2A1!
Thanks, that one is my favorite!
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Thanks to everyone for the replys. I especially like the pic of the H-Bar FAL. I had an Izzy H-Bar when I lived in New Jersey (another a-hole state when it comes to guns) along with an FNC that were always a blast to shoot. As for that funky pistol grip that is attached to the stock, no offence but no way, I'll stick with 10 round mags and bullet buttons before I resort to that. The build is on a G1 parts kit that I got on ebay a long time ago before they went all anti-gun. I am just happy that I will finally get to build my FAL, and be within the UTTERLY RIDICULOUS requirements that this state deems necessary. Can someone please remind me what country I live in? I will post pics when it is complete.
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Enterprise Arms did a sweet job on my DSA with a prince 50 type magazine lock that looked smooth and could be manipulated with an allen wrench.
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