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Old 03-28-2011, 10:33 PM
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Default Reloading 300 AAC Blackout

It seems every other forum has a thread on reloading 300 AAC Blackout so I am pleased to start one on Calguns. The information out there is spread across the internet but its out there. Here is just some info that I have learned along the way. The Gun.

First off the prices people are charging for processing 300BLK brass or processed 300BLK brass is outrageous. I understand capitalism and this is still new but come on it doesnt take more work than processing .223 brass. It just takes some know how and some modified tools.

I am not interested in making 300BLK cases 1 at a time. Why did I buy a XL650? You can process 300BLK cases quickly on a single stage press but I want to use my progressive. What you need to form a .223 case into a 300BLK case on a progressive press with the Dillon 1200 trimmer. 1, You need a sizing/trimming die from CH4D. http://www.ch4d.com/ The owner is super cool. His webpage is hard to navigate but just give him a call. I asked for a 300BLK size/trim die and he assured me that he has reviewed the chamber specs for 221/300 fireball, 300 whisper, and 300BLK and they are all the same. So he sold me a 300 whisper size/trim die and he told me he would roll mark it 300BLK if it made me feel better. 2, A spare toolhead that you can modify. Respecting the marketplace for 300BLK brass I wont go into too many details but basically you need to modify the toolhead so that you can use this die and still use the vacuum attachment. Dillon says you need to use a specfic trimmer to trim 7.62x39 because the brass is so short so same would apply with 300BLK. BS, my friend, mod your toolhead and trim any short brass you want. 3, you will need a set of dies. I bought the Forster benchrest set, expensive, yes, but they are really nice. 4, you will need the 7.62x39 powder funnel. Everything else on the dillon would be the same as if you are processing .223 brass except you will be using the large pistol casefeeder plate with the washer installed (Just like 7.62x39).

Station 1, universal decapping die or a .223 sizing die.
Station 3, the CH4D 300BLK size/trim die.

When trimming almost 10mm of brass you must use care. The speed you work the handle has to be just right. Too fast or too slow and the blade can get caught in the brass and burn your motor out. I would describe it as a quickly continous stroke. That is it for forming a 300BLK case out of a .223 case. Swage as usual. I use the Dillon Super Swage with the .308 arm and small primer ram. On the load cycle just use the dies as you were loading any other round. The sizing die just expands the neck and seat to mag length 2.2ish". Congrats you have just loaded a new and exciting round.

So far I have worked up two supersonic rounds. Not interested in subsonic since I do not live in a free state.
Left round, is a 108gr Frangible bullet ($40 per 1k, awesome) sitting on 19grs of H110.
Right round, is a 150gr FMJ sitting on 18grs of H110.
I havent chrono'd the rounds but they should be around 2000fps. I also havent tried to push for a small grouping but they look good so far. More testing to come.



As a note you do need to shave the ribs on the inside of pmags to get the rounds to chamber right. It not so much the angle but the friction of the bullet dragging on the rib. 10rd mags shouldnt be much of a problem but stuffing 30rds of 150gr bullets in a pmag with a spring meant for 55gr bullets is asking for trouble. Shave the rib and the bullets chamber fine.


Update 7/1/11:
During the testing phase I went with 18 grains of H110 because that is what it took to cycle the action and lock the bolt on an empty mag. Well during slow fire testing that was ok but under heavy use testing I started to see signs of over pressure, mostly blown primers. I drilled the gas port hole one drill bit larger (I failed to write down what bit, next time I pull the gas block off I will check) and worked up a new load starting from a lower starting point. I settled at 16 grains of H110 with the best grouping. Gun runs smooth and fully functionally.

Chrono Data: 150gr FMJ BT with 16 grains of H110.
1st run: 1776,1780,1810,1778,1791
Average, 1787
Standard Deviation: 14.1

2nd run: 1778,1812,1824,1763,1797
Average, 1794
SD: 24.73

Drop Data:
100yds -1.6"
150yds -6.8"
200yds -16.1"

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Cool stuff!

I'm guessing you will be making up at least 300+ rounds for the BARC and practice. This should be a pretty competitive setup in the Big Bore division.
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Going to have to lock down my 200 yard hold over first. But yes it should hold its own.
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Congrats you have just loaded a new and exciting round.
New and exciting about 20 years ago lol.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.300_Whisper

I've always wanted to do this with an AK - heavier bullets @ subsonic speeds that would cycle reliably. Never had time to mess with it. Now that someone (with more time on their hands than I do) figured out how to fit an AR barrel to an Daewoo upper I'm looking to do a .300 Whisper/AACBO with the spare upper I have. It's a back burner project, but anything that popularizes the round and gets brass/tools/etc to be more commonly available is a huge plus in my book. Sometimes all it takes is a facelift and a bit of marketing to bring something great into the mainstream
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Well, true, the actual round has been out for a long time. But with the new name and large manufacturer backing, reloading has become a ton easier. People are getting 220gr SMK bullets to cycle with only 7-9 grs of AA1680. Granted they are having better luck with a pistol gas system or if you want to shoot sub and super then people are using larger gas holes and adjustable gas blocks on a carbine system.

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Well, true, the actual round has been out for a long time. But with the new name and large manufacturer backing, reloading has become a ton easier. People are getting 220gr SMK bullets to cycle with only 7-9 grs of AA1680. Granted they are having better luck with a pistol gas system or if you want to shoot sub and super then people are using larger gas holes and adjustable gas blocks on a carbine system.
And now there's a SAAMI spec to reference and hopefully standardize on. I'm not fresh on my history but I imagine that SSK just wasn't large enough to make something happen with this cartridge outside of the small niche it's previously occupied. Remington (and Freedom Group conglomerate) on the other hand, is large enough to push this into the mainstream. Now big Green&Yellow just has to start marketing silencers to hunters and shine some light on the undue stigma they've had in this country.

The trick for my particular project will be figuring out how big to drill the gas hole in the barrel for the 'Woo rather than the AR. The 'Woo is a piston design with selectable gas ports in the gas block. Small, medium, and large gas ports and an off setting .
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Nice, I can't wait to see some benched groups and chrono data

Those 108gr bullets will do for the short range and depending on how the accuracy testing goes, shove some 168gr SMKs in there for the 200yrd stage. That ought to to pretty well. Are you going to keep the red dot on there for BARC or scope it?
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Good job, Joe!

I will see you later, as well as popping a few downrange...again.

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Been watching this caliber on a few of the other boards. The easy part is the barrel. I did see a you tube video of a 1050 set up auto drive forming 300 BLK brass.
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I saw the video as well but to drop $3k on a press is way out of my league. It's really only if you are selling brass or ammo.
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I have did some research myself. If you can fire form
Your 300blk you can send a few rounds in to LEE ad they will costume make a die set for you for about 55-60 bucks. Not bad.

I'm still building mines but I'm doing it slow. Last year I got too many guns my wife wasn't too happy. Lol.
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I'm all set up to load this cartridge. I have been waiting on a barrel for 2 months now. Soon as it shows up, I'll be set.

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I ordered mine for Delta Company Arms and they had a pretty quick turn around time. Who did you order yours through?
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Blackhole weaponry and cmmg makes barrels for them, I think BHW has them for 220, cmmg has them for 197 with gas block/tube? Don't take my word for it it's been a while since I got e
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I ordered mine for Delta Company Arms and they had a pretty quick turn around time. Who did you order yours through?
Its funny you should ask, I ordered it from the same place you did. I'll be calling again tomorrow.
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Just got off the phone with Aaron over at Delta Company Arms. He was actually working on modifying the feed ramps for my barrel and he is having trouble getting them right. We are just gonna scrap that idea for now and the barrel will go out in the morning. Should be up and running soon.

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Is there a low pro adjustable gas block? How quiet is it subsonic and unsupressed?
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Where are you getting the 108gr frangible bullets from? For that price I can afford to shoot this caliber!
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FC, yes (google paladin or jp gas block) and I haven't tried subsonic yet because for sub you need really heavy bullets and a pistol gas system.

Knight, frangibles are from hi-tech ammo.
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Here is a video I edited of what happens when 20% gel is hit:

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I am not sure what price you are hoping for with brass, but Remington primed 300 AAC BLACKOUT factory brass is sold by CMMG in 100 round packs for $31.95 and by AAC in 2000 case boxes. MSRP is $540 per 2000 - which is about what Remington 223 primed brass costs - and a lot cheaper than 7.62x39 Winchester brass (over $700).

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/...ss-Primed-1723

The Rem brass is extra special in that it is annealed and the case-head is hardened for the ability to take more pressure and to last a lot of reload cycles. It is purposely left unpolished so that you can have visible verification of annealing, and the primers have a light crimp to take more pressure, but yet is reloadble without swaging. The primers are also sealed, and primed brass has no HAZMAT fee (but primers on their own do). There are big discounts for 100,000 or more pieces for companies who want to get into selling loaded ammunition.
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I am not sure what price you are hoping for with brass, but Remington primed 300 AAC BLACKOUT factory brass is sold by CMMG in 100 round packs for $31.95 and by AAC in 2000 case boxes. MSRP is $540 per 2000 - which is about what Remington 223 primed brass costs - and a lot cheaper than 7.62x39 Winchester brass (over $700).

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/item/...ss-Primed-1723

The Rem brass is extra special in that it is annealed and the case-head is hardened for the ability to take more pressure and to last a lot of reload cycles. It is purposely left unpolished so that you can have visible verification of annealing, and the primers have a light crimp to take more pressure, but yet is reloadble without swaging. The primers are also sealed, and primed brass has no HAZMAT fee (but primers on their own do). There are big discounts for 100,000 or more pieces for companies who want to get into selling loaded ammunition.
Rslivers, you helped develop the caliber if I am not mistaken? Seen your posts over on Snipers Hide about 300 BLK.
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What's the performance of the round in the 16 inch Remington 700 barrel that you guys make? I've been thinking of putting one on a 700 SPS. Would it be worth waiting for the Model 7 that I hear you guys will be coming out with?

P.S. You need to get more lightweight barrels in stock!
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We have a lot more lightweight barrels on the way, but it won't be super soon. Still, it will be sooner than ordering a custom barrel in most cases.

It will do 2450 fps with 110 grain bullets at 55,000 psi.

As for waiting vs buying a barrel now, I would buy a barrel now - it could take 4 months to get those rifles.
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We have a lot more lightweight barrels on the way, but it won't be super soon. Still, it will be sooner than ordering a custom barrel in most cases.

It will do 2450 fps with 110 grain bullets at 55,000 psi.

As for waiting vs buying a barrel now, I would buy a barrel now - it could take 4 months to get those rifles.
Yeah, I'm gonna jump on a lightweight once you have them in stock. I just want Dillion to bring out dies for 300 blk so I can reload on our 550.
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Why wait for dillon dies?
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Why wait for dillon dies?
Aren't those the only ones that will work with my 550?
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Dillon is not making dies. Get Forster, Redding, Hornady, or Lee.
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Forster dies work just fine on my 650. All presses are the same thread pitch, iirc.
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Dillon is not making dies. Get Forster, Redding, Hornady, or Lee.
One last question Robert, is the Model 7 gun that you guys are bringing out going to have a longer magazine to accommodate for longer OAL cartridges?

Edit: Gonna pick up some .223 brass this weekend to experiment with trimming it down.

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The Model-7 will have a normal Model-7 magazine.
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Midway has it in stock here. They also have 500/pk and 2000/pk.

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...la=ProductDesc
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Brass.

http://www.midwayusa.com/browse/Brow...*670***9013***

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Updated recipe and chrono data.
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Updated recipe and chrono data.
Would you say that the drop for 150gr is a bit more than you would like? Thanks.
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Not really, it's only a 100 yard gun anyway. Drop could be lessened if I tried to push velocity up but it is pretty soft recoiling.
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There is a guy over on AR15.com that will process/form your 223 brass into Black300 for a $100.00 per 1000 with him paying the return shipping. Getting ready to send him off a flat rate box of some LC brass. I still have not decided if I should buy just a barrel or a complete upper.
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I can't decide on going with 300AAC or 7.62x42 WT?
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I can't decide on going with 300AAC or 7.62x42 WT?
300BLK is a STANDARDIZED SAAMI cartridge. Nuff said.
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