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Old 03-26-2011, 8:19 AM
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Default Benelli m2 vs. m4

Looking to buy a HD shotgun. Wife prefers the M2 because it is lighter and has the comfort stock. I like the M4 just cause it is cool. Can afford one but not both. Is the M4 really much better than the M2 ?.
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Old 03-26-2011, 8:26 AM
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Avoid a semi for HD. A $300 Rem 870 with serve you well with a tube full of buckshot.

My M2 runs fantantic and I have seen M4's choke of cheap birdshot.
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Old 03-26-2011, 9:19 AM
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I have shot both and I prefer the M2. Both function well but the M4 gets dirtier and not as easy to clean.

The big difference is the weight. That M4 is just too darn heavy. The M2 is awsome in this respect yet it's reliable and still very fun to shoot.

Get the M2.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:17 AM
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Neither. M1S90. It'll eat ANYTHING.
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Old 03-26-2011, 10:34 AM
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i have a M1 Super 90 and would feel well armed using it as a defensive shotgun.

i would however, prefer to use one of my 870 pump shotguns over the Benelli in a HD role.
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Old 03-26-2011, 11:40 AM
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M4 has lighter recoil.
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Old 03-26-2011, 12:04 PM
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I'm totally fine with the M1. When it was new it would not cycle light trap #7s from walmart, it took some buck shot to break it in. After a couple hundred rounds of #7s it cycles perfectly now. I have shoot it so much that the rear sight has fallen off (ghost rings). It really makes no difference unless I am shooting slugs so I gave up putting the rear sight back on.

I have not been able to figure out what they changed going from M1 to M2 but I think it is basically the same gun same inetia operated recoil.

The m4 is gas operated. Gas was supposedly chosen by the marines due to reliability to cycle a wider range of loads. I have not shot this gun so I can't comment

No problems grabing my M1 over the old 870 in home defense. If you do choose the M1 shoot it after you buy it to make sure it cycles the rounds you would use it with in an HD situation
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If solely for HD just get a Remington or Mossberg pump with a bead sight and save yourself several hundred dollars. You won't need the "ghost ring" sights for a 0 - 25' shot anyway and the pump will be the most reliable.
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i have a M1 Super 90 and would feel well armed using it as a defensive shotgun.

i would however, prefer to use one of my 870 pump shotguns over the Benelli in a HD role.
Exactly...I have the same opinion
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Avoid a semi for HD.
Why?
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You could get the M3 and have the best of both worlds!
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Old 03-27-2011, 11:51 AM
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i owned M4. It serves me well with Eoteach. I did not have any Jam.
The recoil is fantastic. I am slow with the pump. So, Semi is quick to get the lead to the intruder rather than pump for me.
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You could get the M3 and have the best of both worlds!
Heard those M3's are not as reliable though.....Don't recall where I read the comments from.
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Pump is better for HD, sometimes the cocking sound alone is enough of a deterrent.
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Pump is better for HD, sometimes the cocking sound alone is enough of a deterrent.
OMG stop with the FUD.
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Heard those M3's are not as reliable though.....Don't recall where I read the comments from.
Never had any problems with mine.
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I have a 870, 1100CM and a M2 Salient.
Salient kicks more than the gas shotguns, easier to clean, lighter, does not get as dirty.
I have seen all shotguns M2, M4, 1100, FN SLP, all puke at matches.
For reliability for HD get a pump.
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You tipped your hand when you said you thought the M4 was cooler.
Get a M2 with the comfortech stock.
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Old 03-28-2011, 8:26 AM
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Thank you for all the great feedback. I would be looking at a pump but I don't think my wife would be able to cycle it very quickly. She is not weak but is a small woman. I found a place that holds a class on using a shot gun for HD and brings in some different guns to train with. I am going to drag her to that and see how she does.
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Never had any problems with mine.
Thanks! Good to know that. I've always want one.

Now the problem is....where to find one?
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Pump is better for HD, sometimes the cocking sound alone is enough of a deterrent.
maybe in the movies.

my M2 serves me very well for HD
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M1S90.. that said, I'm looking for an M4 next

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I don't know, my M4 sounds pretty cool when I load a round in the chamber and hit that bolt release button. I may not be able to sound cool after the first shot, but then again I probably won't have to.
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benelli m4 all day every day. the weapon is reliable, feels great in your hands very easy to control and can hold 9 rounds total with a full length tube. Can't beat it in my opinion.

Haven't had any trouble with ammo cycling either, haven't tried non lethal rounds but plan to soon
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With the proper defensive loads, why isn't a semi-auto shotgun nearly as reliable as a pump gun? Now if you're using birdshot maybe/maybe not.
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I would not discount the M4's reliability if you wanted to use it for defense. Pick whichever one you and your wife feel the most comfortable using.
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benelli m4 all day every day. the weapon is reliable, feels great in your hands very easy to control and can hold 9 rounds total with a full length tube. Can't beat it in my opinion.

Haven't had any trouble with ammo cycling either, haven't tried non lethal rounds but plan to soon
show me a M4 that holds 9 rnds...I want to see one.


I'm sure the tube would extend beyond the barrel
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I have an 870 but wish I had an M4... personally I think the M4 is reliable enough, my 870 jams on ammo on occasion, and the military trusts the M4. Pumping takes more time for me as well, as I don't spend a great deal of time training with shotguns, as I prefer AR's, pistols, and my Scout. M4 baby.
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show me a M4 that holds 9 rnds...I want to see one.


I'm sure the tube would extend beyond the barrel
What's wrong with that?
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What's wrong with that?
Defeats the purpose of a short barrel....
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show me a M4 that holds 9 rnds...I want to see one.

I'm sure the tube would extend beyond the barrel
With a standard extended mag tube (same length as the 18.5" barrel), it can hold 9 when ghost loaded -- 7 in the tube, 1 in chamber, 1 on the lifter. But this would be an advantage only for pre-loading the gun. You wouldn't be ghost loading on the fly. If you want an 8 round mag tube for the M4, you can put a +1 on the front of it and it will extend past the end of the barrel. (an 8 round mag tube on a Benelli is about the same length as a 21" barrel)

For the original discussion, the M4 is a very soft shooting gun, but it is indeed heavier than the M2. I could shoot full power loads in the M4 all day, whereas the M2 gets punishing. My M2 does run "tactical" reduced recoil buck and slugs reliably, so that is an option to consider. If you are worried about your wife potentially getting beat up by the shotgun, it would help to get hands on both of them to see for yourself.
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Avoid a semi for HD. A $300 Rem 870 with serve you well with a tube full of buckshot.

My M2 runs fantantic and I have seen M4's choke of cheap birdshot.


Huh??

My M4 NEVER ceased to cycle full power buck. Maybe you're thinking Remington 1100 or similar.

It just worked. But you're right it won't cycle low brass bird shot, but that shouldn't be used for defense anyway.
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I've never fired the M2, but my M4 runs perfect with light loads, buckshot, or slugs. This gun eats everything I feed it, rapidly. You can really stay on target while unloading 8 rounds in a few seconds. My vote would be the semi-auto, get the M4.
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With a standard extended mag tube (same length as the 18.5" barrel), it can hold 9 when ghost loaded -- 7 in the tube, 1 in chamber, 1 on the lifter. But this would be an advantage only for pre-loading the gun. You wouldn't be ghost loading on the fly. If you want an 8 round mag tube for the M4, you can put a +1 on the front of it and it will extend past the end of the barrel. (an 8 round mag tube on a Benelli is about the same length as a 21" barrel)

For the original discussion, the M4 is a very soft shooting gun, but it is indeed heavier than the M2. I could shoot full power loads in the M4 all day, whereas the M2 gets punishing. My M2 does run "tactical" reduced recoil buck and slugs reliably, so that is an option to consider. If you are worried about your wife potentially getting beat up by the shotgun, it would help to get hands on both of them to see for yourself.
This is very true one thing most people don't know until they actually shoot one I could without a doubt shoot full power 00 all day long. It feels like a .308 or something I have the Mesa Tactical Urbino stock with a limbsaver pad BTW but even before it was a very light recoiling gun.

Benelli quality is untouched by Mossberg or Remington. My M4 is temperamental about certain birdshot you just need to find the right kind I know it doesn't cycle Winchester birdshot I think it was Remington that it was shooting fine. Anyways with what it was intended for full power buckshot or slugs it functions flawlessly I've put about 500 buckshot through mine since August and it hasn't had a hiccup. It has lots of features you wont find on a pump.

One of the best things about owning a semi shotty is it has a bolt hold open which lets you know when you've fired your last shot which comes quick with a shotgun. I wonder if anyone here has every shot their pump fast enough or under stress and actually short cycled their gun a semi won't do that. Every shotgun behaves a little different and I bet most people don't care to know how to manipulate their own shotgun fully.

A Benelli M4 will not fail you it's stupid to think it will while sitting in your house its not like anyone is living outside in the sand box not sure it would matter anyways. If anything I've had more problems with my pumps while sitting in my safe inferior Winchester 1300 and Remy 870 parts breaking from practicing ect. both of them are now double feeding occasionally it really pisses me off
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7 in the tube on a proper full length, one on the slide and one in the chamber, you got yourself 9 good sir.
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Forget HD reasons for choosing a pump over the M4 if the M4 is good enough to be used in dirty sandy war torn middle east by the US military and now been adopted by the British army for the same reasons the US chose it. I dont think you need to worry about it not working every time when someone brakes into your home.

Spend the extra cash get the M4 and you will both be happy.
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If you are looking for a pure HD shotgun, the M4 is hard to beat. I have had a total of one stovepipe and that was shooting abnormally low power birdshot (the rest of the batch I fired from the same box cycled a bit soft and dribbled out of the side...but did cycle). Cheapy walmart 1 1/8 oz stuff is just fine, as is any regular power load. It is just generally well designed and soft shooting. I love it, and wouldn't trade mine for anything material.

That said there are caveats you should consider (and many others have bought up before):

-Weight. It's heavy. If this is a problem, go for the M2 or M1.

-Length of pull, people with shorter arms may have a problem dealing with this...so test that for all people who might have to use it before buying (the standard "is the LOP too long for me test" with the elbow) unless you plan to buy a 200 dollar stock to make it shorter or very carefully take a bandsaw and some epoxy to the one that comes with it.

-I will assume that you have other shotguns for shooting clays, but if you don't, I wouldn't recommend the M4. If you plan to shoot a lot of clays and this will be the only shotgun you have just get an M1 or M2 without ghost rings as they are more than adequate and are much better multipurpose guns.

-You will spend a good deal of money upgrading the capacity. Assume a couple hundred if you plan to do so and factor this into your cost estimates especially if you plan to go past the end of the barrel (meaning more than 7 in the tube capacity).
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I vote M2 ... simpler and easier to maintain
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Heard those M3's are not as reliable though.....Don't recall where I read the comments from.
I have no problem with mine.......
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