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Old 03-24-2011, 10:05 AM
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Ordered a G23 from Glock.

FFL called me to tell me he was having some "issues" with a lady who spoke Austrian and his FFL certificate/license. But that it should ship Friday.

Now I am trying to figure something out. If he is talking to Austria is it shipping from there? and if it is how long it will take to get to him?

The paperwork got mailed to a PO box in Georgia.
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Well... could take some time. See, Glock ships from Austria by train
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Not sure. some do but not many some have the Austrian marking's those are straight from Austria Google it.
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Just DROS'ed my Gen4 G19 last night
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Just DROS'ed my Gen4 G19 last night
Where are you single shotting pistols in Sac?
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Where are you single shotting pistols in Sac?
Drove down to Milpitas and DROS'ed it at Valkyrie.
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Buy a 9mm barrel and some mags. two in one is a great thing
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Ordered a G23 from Glock.

FFL called me to tell me he was having some "issues" with a lady who spoke Austrian and his FFL certificate/license. But that it should ship Friday.

Now I am trying to figure something out. If he is talking to Austria is it shipping from there? and if it is how long it will take to get to him?

The paperwork got mailed to a PO box in Georgia.
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Old 03-24-2011, 10:35 AM
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im about to drink the cool aid too. sigh... Going to get a gen 3 though because I dont need my guns taken away in the future.
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My FFL told me GLOCK was 125,000+ orders behind.
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im about to drink the cool aid too. sigh... Going to get a gen 3 though because I dont need my guns taken away in the future.
Why would anyone take your (what I am assuming you mean) off-roster Glock 4 if you were to get one?
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Most if not all Glocks I've seen is marked Austria on the slide and Georgia on the frame. So does this mean the slide is from Austria and the frames are made in the USA? I thought all Glocks sold in the US are distributed from GA. I did see a rare USA marked slide on the Calguns marketplace once.
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Does not matter how you ordered one, as long as you have it coming.

Love the Kool Aid.....

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im about to drink the cool aid too. sigh... Going to get a gen 3 though because I dont need my guns taken away in the future.
Gen4's are perfectly legal to own and single shot exemptions are OK as per CA DOJ. Nothing is illegal and they won't be taken away.
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I to "drank the cool aid." DROS'ed a 26 a few days ago and cant wait to get my hands on it.
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:52 AM
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Gen4's are perfectly legal to own and single shot exemptions are OK as per CA DOJ. Nothing is illegal and they won't be taken away.

Yea, to dros a single shot exempt is fine. The problem is when you change it back to a completely different configuration right after you buy it. And continue to use it in that different configuration. It might be legal to purchase the gun that way, but I just cant see it being legal(based on various PC's) when you purposely change it completely.

You might not agree, and thats fine... Its just not worth it to me.
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Old 03-24-2011, 11:59 AM
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Yea, to dros a single shot exempt is fine. The problem is when you change it back to a completely different configuration right after you buy it. And continue to use it in that different configuration. It might be legal to purchase the gun that way, but I just cant see it being legal(based on various PC's) when you purposely change it completely.

You might not agree, and thats fine... Its just not worth it to me.
DOJ just made a visit to the shop I DROS'ed my Gen4 on Monday. They signed off on it, stating that it was perfectly legal to do so.

Feel free to stick to your principles, meanwhile everyone else will be purchasing Gen4's.
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DOJ just made a visit to the shop I DROS'ed my Gen4 on Monday. They signed off on it, stating that it was perfectly legal to do so.
meanwhile everyone else will be purchasing Gen4's.
Ill be in line soon for a Gen4 after my 30 days is up!
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Old 03-24-2011, 12:41 PM
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DOJ just made a visit to the shop I DROS'ed my Gen4 on Monday. They signed off on it, stating that it was perfectly legal to do so.

Feel free to stick to your principles, meanwhile everyone else will be purchasing Gen4's.
can you tell us more on how they "signed off on it"?
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can you tell us more on how they "signed off on it"?
What if you buy an off-roster gun from someone who is allowed to buy off-roster guns? Or get it through a interfamilial transfer? Do you honestly think that there are people from the DOJ out there looking to see if your gun is on roster?

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• Private party transfers of handguns occurring through a firearms dealer. or sheriff’s
department. (Penal Code § 12132(a).)
• Firearm transfers that, subject to any specified exemption, are not required to be
conducted by firearms dealers. (Penal Code § 12132(b).)
• Sales, loans, or transfers of firearms listed as curios or relics, as defined in Section
178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations. (Penal Code §§ 12132(c)
and (g).)
• The delivery of a handgun to a licensed firearms dealer for the purposes of
servicing or repairing that firearm and the subsequent return of the handgun by the
licensed firearms dealer to its owner. (Penal Code § 12132(d) and (e).)
• The return of a handgun by a licensed firearms dealer to its owner where that
firearm was initially delivered to that firearms dealer for the purpose of a
consignment sale or as collateral for a pawnbroker loan. (Penal Code § 12132(f).)
• Single-action revolvers with at least a five-cartridge capacity, a barrel length of not
less than three inches, and either: (a) were originally manufactured prior to 1900
and are curios or relics, as defined in Section 178.11 of Title 27 of the Code of
Federal Regulations; or (b) have an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of
at least seven and one-half inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are
assembled. (Penal Code § 12133.)
Single-shot pistols with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that have an
overall length of at least 10 ½ inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel
are assembled. (Penal Code § 12133.)

• The following pistols sanctioned by the International Olympic Committee and by
USA Shooting, the national governing body for international shooting competition
in the United States, and that are used for Olympic target shooting purposes (Penal
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If you can find me a law that says you cannot alter your gun to allow it to accept up to a 10 round magazine I would like to see it.
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Buy a 9mm barrel and some mags. two in one is a great thing
.40 cal Glocks can take a 9mm barrel too? I though it was a .357 SIG barrel.
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.40 cal Glocks can take a 9mm barrel too? I though it was a .357 SIG barrel.
9mm too.

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u have to use a a conversion 9mm barrel cant use a glock 19 barrel and with the 357 sig u can use your 40 mags and a glock 32 barrel
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u have to use a a conversion 9mm barrel cant use a glock 19 barrel and with the 357 sig u can use your 40 mags and a glock 32 barrel
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What if you buy an off-roster gun from someone who is allowed to buy off-roster guns? Or get it through a interfamilial transfer? Do you honestly think that there are people from the DOJ out there looking to see if your gun is on roster?

From the DOJ:
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If you can find me a law that says you cannot alter your gun to allow it to accept up to a 10 round magazine I would like to see it.

You are configuring it into the configuration that wasnt legal to buy. Thats like configuring an ar-15 with bullet button into an ar with mag release. Think about it...
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You are configuring it into the configuration that wasnt legal to buy. Thats like configuring an ar-15 with bullet button into an ar with mag release. Think about it...
No, that's not the same thing. Possession of an assault weapon is a crime, possession of an off-roster gun is not a crime.


Think about it this way. I move to California from Texas. I bring with me a Ruger LCP (not on roster) and a listed lower AR-15. What law have I broken? I have imported an assault rifle, as defined by the law. The LCP in and of itself is not illegal to own. If there was a law that said off roster handguns may not be owned, then there would be something there. The law says what cannot be done, not what you can do. Is there a law somewhere that says you can post on Calguns? Must be illegal then, right?

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can you tell us more on how they "signed off on it"?
DOJ came in and audited their DROS paperwork and procedures.
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Yea, to dros a single shot exempt is fine. The problem is when you change it back to a completely different configuration right after you buy it. And continue to use it in that different configuration. It might be legal to purchase the gun that way, but I just cant see it being legal(based on various PC's) when you purposely change it completely.

You might not agree, and thats fine... Its just not worth it to me.

Can you cite these PC's?
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Don't want your gun taken away???? Lol, sorry but that has got to be the dumbest thing I've read in the last week or two :-). I take it you don't own any OLL receivers right? Have many people have bought gen4 guns, xdm, and so on with no visits or trouble from the DOJ?
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You are configuring it into the configuration that wasnt legal to buy. Thats like configuring an ar-15 with bullet button into an ar with mag release. Think about it...
There's nothing similar about it. Read the laws on OLL's and their configurations. Seriously.. if people are doing this and the DOJ is openly allowing it, then show exactly where/how it's breaking a law..

This is the same type of BS that could be heard when the whole OLL AR thing went down a few years ago.. Same disbelief but some 20,000+ AR lowers later.. Here we are..

Do your own research and stop spreading your own version of how things work.. You sound like a 10 yr old with your disbeliefs.
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Whoa doggy, back down. Im on your side.

I was asking evolixsurf to cite the PC's that make him think its illegal to buy a pistol in single shot, then modify it back to factory stock specs.
He is under the impression that this is illegal to do, or possess said pistol after bringing back to stock, and he claimed his aprehension was due to some PC, I wanted to know which ones caused him concerns.

I wasn't asking him to tell me how single shot exemption is legal or something, I know based on everything Ive read here that it is perfectly fine to do, and I plan on taking advantage of it myself.

Im going to assume you either misunderstood my post because you read it on your phone, or you have something personal against me, I assume the former?
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Whoa doggy, back down. Im on your side.

I was asking evolixsurf to cite the PC's that make him think its illegal to buy a pistol in single shot, then modify it back to factory stock specs.
He is under the impression that this is illegal to do, or possess said pistol after bringing back to stock, and he claimed his aprehension was due to some PC, I wanted to know which ones caused him concerns.

I wasn't asking him to tell me how single shot exemption is legal or something, I know based on everything Ive read here that it is perfectly fine to do, and I plan on taking advantage of it myself.

Im going to assume you either misunderstood my post because you read it on your phone, or you have something personal against me, I assume the former?
I did read it on my phone, sorry bout that. Been real annoyed today for some reason. Sorry again.
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I won't buy one because I don't believe in the extra cost associated with converting it back. I think it's wrong for people to profit on the BS roster, and loop holes. They do to do away with that thing completely, it's pretty damn pointless when all it takes is extra money to purchase something not on it.
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It doesn't cost more to convert it back. YOu basically pay a small surcharge to rent their barrel and fixed mag. You get your stock parts when you buy it.
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Oh ****. I need that threaded barrel and extension from Valkyrie ASAP so I can start hand feeding my M&P this weekend at the range, 1 round at a time...
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It doesn't cost more to convert it back. YOu basically pay a small surcharge to rent their barrel and fixed mag. You get your stock parts when you buy it.
Ok now your talking, now where is the place to do this in SoCal? if that is the case I would do it just to toss the roster back in their face.
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I won't buy one because I don't believe in the extra cost associated with converting it back. I think it's wrong for people to profit on the BS roster, and loop holes. They do to do away with that thing completely, it's pretty damn pointless when all it takes is extra money to purchase something not on it.
My Gen4 was $575 + tax/DROS. For me the extra $75 is worth it.
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