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Old 03-20-2011, 7:58 AM
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I'm in the market for a pocket pistol and have been enjoying the threads on the LCP/LC9/PM9, etc. and appreciate everyone's feedback on these guns. If money were no object (though it always is), what do you guys feel is the best shooting mouse gun made? By shooting, I mean a gun you can reasonably train with and not need gloves! I understand that with a small size comes less comfort but the G26/SR9c/P99c/etc. are simply too big for this conversation. For discussion purposes, let's keep this to pistols which are front pocket concealable. I'd love to hear opinions on Rohrbaugh, Seecamp and some of the less commonly seen guns also. Caliber is secondary to shoot-ability though I'd prefer nothing smaller than a .32. Personal experience, photos, and comparisons especially appreciated.
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I'm in the market for a pocket pistol and have been enjoying the threads on the LCP/LC9/PM9, etc. and appreciate everyone's feedback on these guns. If money were no object (though it always is), what do you guys feel is the best shooting mouse gun made? By shooting, I mean a gun you can reasonably train with and not need gloves! I understand that with a small size comes less comfort but the G26/SR9c/P99c/etc. are simply too big for this conversation. For discussion purposes, let's keep this to pistols which are front pocket concealable. I'd love to hear opinions on Rohrbaugh, Seecamp and some of the less commonly seen guns also. Caliber is secondary to shoot-ability though I'd prefer nothing smaller than a .32. Personal experience, photos, and comparisons especially appreciated.
Micro? Kahr P380. Mine had issues at first, Kahr fixed it, great pocket gun, great shooter, quite accurate for such a wee thing. Loaded weight is 13.5 oz. Buff Bore +p (supposedly) seem to be best/most punch SD round. Love mine, one of my CCW guns. If you have fairly large hands you may have to adjust your grip. Don't go with the Pearce mag Extension as mine both broke (meaning spring flew, etc.) as did another calccw.com member.






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My two choices would be a Seecamp or a S & W airweight.

Justs depends how concielable you need to be. There are probably other great guns, but I don't like plastic. The Roughbar is $1300.

The Seecamp or Airweight is under $500
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I've handled a Rohrbaugh and wasn't impressed knowing the price tag. It was tiny, though. It just didn't feel like a thousand dollar pistol to me. I'm sure there's more to it than met the eye, and I did not get to shoot it. Also, anything that small in 9mm would seem to be painful to shoot more than a few mags through. The P380 is leading the pack, now even more so after Rudigan's review and seeing Hickock nailing distant steel targets with one. I just hate buyer's remorse, and want to make sure I'm exploring all my options.
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Would be a SEECAMP .32

About $700 to 900$ depending on where you shop.



I just sold two on the Cal Guns Classifieds (New in Box) for $700 each.

Front pocket only. If you choose a wheel gun then you're in GLOCK 26 territory.

Then you're talking about a back pocket weapon. A wheel gun is too fat for the front pocket; for the back pocket something FLATER than a wheel gun is my choice.

For that, a GLOCK 26 does the job.(back pocket or coat pocket)

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I'll say this much about Seecamp, they have a fantastic website and message board. Any pistol I wanted to see next to a Seecamp, they had posted. I've never seen one for sale at a LGS or online retailer, though. With one of those Meco pocket holsters, that little thing would be a breeze to carry. Availability and aftermarket accessories might prove difficult, that's my biggest concern.
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I haven't shot a Rohrbaugh yet so I don't have any info on that particular firearm. The price tag is just too much for me to overcome.

I have shot or own the PM9, LCP, LC9, PF9, PF-11and S&W 642. As far as shooting copious amounts of ammo through them I would choose the PM9. The recoil is easier to handle but the pistol is still small enough to pocket carry with the right holster.

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wait for the cm9? huge value considering how good the pm9 is.
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I'm in the market for a pocket pistol and have been enjoying the threads on the LCP/LC9/PM9, etc. and appreciate everyone's feedback on these guns. If money were no object (though it always is), what do you guys feel is the best shooting mouse gun made? By shooting, I mean a gun you can reasonably train with and not need gloves! I understand that with a small size comes less comfort but the G26/SR9c/P99c/etc. are simply too big for this conversation. For discussion purposes, let's keep this to pistols which are front pocket concealable. I'd love to hear opinions on Rohrbaugh, Seecamp and some of the less commonly seen guns also. Caliber is secondary to shoot-ability though I'd prefer nothing smaller than a .32. Personal experience, photos, and comparisons especially appreciated.
I like the Charter arms 44 spl. 21 oz and a 2.5" barrel makes it top snubbie in my opinion. 44 spl. ammo to practice with may be not be cheap.
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I have a handful of small and light guns, and my favorite is the PM9 by far. It's the best combo of manageable recoil, good sights and accuracy, and lightness.

Of the next two contenders I have, my P3AT is just too painful to shoot enough to practice effectively with, has terrible sights, and isn't particularly accurate. My S&W 642 is too bulky due to the cylinder, and the heavy DAO trigger pull reduces accuracy for me.
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On the sub-subject of front pocket/thickness of gun;
I carry my 340PD a lot in front pocket in a Uncle Mikes#3, speed strip in other pocket, but due to it's girth only certain shorts or pants allow me to do that.

The P380 carrys much better in smaller/tighter pockets. One of the holsters I use for it is a Hunter leather pocket holster, it has a leather flap to cover any printing and works very well in a back pocket, just harder/slower to draw. The J frames are more than twice as wide as the P380.





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I have a Ruger LCP and Kahr P380, have only put 12 rounds through LCP and 44 through P380, I am more accurate with LCP, LCP is lighter and thinner, I like the full grip for my hand on the P380, but other than that I don't think the P380 is worth the price over a LCP for it's intended purpose. If money is no concern, then I'd take the P380 just because I can grip it with a full grip, LCP one finger is off the gun.

Oh and LCP kicks way more than the P380

I also have a Kahr PM9, little heavy for my pocket, but many love it as a pocket gun, it's perfect, small, pocketable, 9MM round, it's the way to go.

A few pics for size comparisons,

Ruger LCP, Kahr P380, Kahr PM9, S&W M&P40C





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If you are near San Diego, PM me. I know someone who wants to sell
an early model Seecamp 32 with three magazines w/ extensions
and two pocket holsters for $760 plus fees.

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OP specifically asked about shootability. Take a look at a Beretta Tomcat .32. It's a marginal caliber and large for it's caliber (much larger than a Seecamp or Guardian), but is a sweet shooter possibly because of it. Very accurate and DA/SA trigger with negligible recoil makes for very fast follow-up shots.
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OP specifically asked about shootability. Take a look at a Beretta Tomcat .32. It's a marginal caliber and large for it's caliber (much larger than a Seecamp or Guardian), but is a sweet shooter possibly because of it. Very accurate and DA/SA trigger with negligible recoil makes for very fast follow-up shots.
yep.

The Tomcat is a very underated gun. It's great for people with larger than average hands, and it shoots like a small 92. Plus its frame mounted safety enables many methods to carry, such as DA with safety off, DA with safety, or SA with safety.

Not as concealable as say a Seecamp(which is a great gun as well) but much more enjoyable to shoot(Seecamp, NAA, et al have a one finger grip).
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Just looked at that chart at Seecamp. Very nice comparison chart, and now has me looking at others besides the LCP.

I've heard good things about the quality of the NAA pocket revolvers, but haven't heard much on their Gaurdian line of pocket semi-autos. ANybody have any experience?
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For that, a GLOCK 26 does the job.(back pocket or coat pocket)
You do mean carried in some sort of pocket holster to cover the trigger?

Best for shooting in this class is the Colt Mustang / Pocketlite.
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wait for the cm9? huge value considering how good the pm9 is.
Is Kahr planning a CA version of the CM9? Are any of the single-shot shops planning to offer them?

Seems like slightly more people than not are saying the Kahr PM9 has more manageable recoil than the LC9, which makes the CM9 most interesting.
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PM9's are really easy to shoot. I have the PM40 it's a bit snappier but still very handleable. Most guys that own PM9's and shoot my 40 don't knowtice much of a difference. The Kahr line is very nice for small autopistols. I also really like my airweight 442. Gotta love the J frames...
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Once you work the bugs out, the Kahr pistols are nice shooters. When I'm thinking about pocket pistols, to a certain extent I don't think about shootability. I think about ease of concealment. I sold my PM9 which was a great gun and plan on replacing it with a LCP when funds are there. The PM9 is way too big for pocket carry unless you're wearing baggy shorts. And even then, it's a bit too heavy compared to the LCP.
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For Injuntom: I have both a .32 and a .380 Guardian and they are very nice pistols. All steel and thus heavy for their size, but good guns. The .380 is for sale, in fact...
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I'm in the market for a pocket pistol and have been enjoying the threads on the LCP/LC9/PM9, etc. and appreciate everyone's feedback on these guns. If money were no object (though it always is), what do you guys feel is the best shooting mouse gun made? By shooting, I mean a gun you can reasonably train with and not need gloves! I understand that with a small size comes less comfort but the G26/SR9c/P99c/etc. are simply too big for this conversation. For discussion purposes, let's keep this to pistols which are front pocket concealable. I'd love to hear opinions on Rohrbaugh, Seecamp and some of the less commonly seen guns also. Caliber is secondary to shoot-ability though I'd prefer nothing smaller than a .32. Personal experience, photos, and comparisons especially appreciated.
For a good shooter that is reliable try a Manurhin Walther PP in 32 cal.
I used to carry one back in the late 80's and it never failed me. Very thin to carry and big hands are no problem.
Pretty accurate too!
You can still find these little babies for under $400.00 in excellent condition.
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I bought the Seecamp 32 and 380 (waited a year from the factory). The 32 is a nice gun, very small. The 380 is painful to shoot, but the same size as the 32. It is a little on the heavy side since it is all stainless. I sold the 380 version and kept the 32.

I like my p238 sas. I have had no problems with it what so ever. I also have had a Kel Tec P32 for about 4 years. Approx 500 rounds downrange and zero issues with mine. I like the weight of the Kel Tec.

I have had a PM9 and after the fourth time to the factory I sold it and will never go back to that company. Some are good, some bad. For the ones that one great out of the box, you should have a great gun that will last with no problems. If you are unlucky like me and get a lemon, just keep sending it back.

I like the Rohbaugh's. They are tiny. Never got to fire one though.
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Bersa Thunder 380 - it is a Walther PPK clone and well built. Only about $300-ish

If you can get it (LEO or the single shot trick) the Ruger LCP is a popular option.

Me personally I would stay away from oddball calibers, like the .25 and .32 - a little tougher to find and more expensive for ammo.

Take a look at the "mouse guns" web site. (Google it) lots of good info there.
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I've got a Beretta Jetfire - .25 cal predecessor to the Tomcat.

I really like Berettas, but not this one. Forget the caliber, I doubt I could hit a water buffalo at 7 yards... Under 3" sight radius, and man, I've really tried to shoot it accurately, but alas, FTE, and FTL had me busy for a while.

Fixed the FTE, but FTL is still sometimes an issue (I bought 2 new mags just to try to solve it)..

Ruger just added their PM9(?) to CA DOJ list..
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Diamondback 380. Or a pocketlite if you can find one. I still dont get what everybody sees in the lcp.
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I've got a Beretta Jetfire - .25 cal predecessor to the Tomcat.
the beretta 21 bobcat is more a predecessor to the tomcat than the single action jetfire.


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My Pocketlite Colt is my fave pocket carry. Light, compact AND a terrific shooter. My P238 Sig is proving to be every bit its equal. Another couple hundred rounds and Ill start rotating the P238 into the lineup.
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Well, I went to the gun store today and held and dry fired an LCP, LC9, Beretta Tomcat, and some Kel-Tecs. The LCP would have gone home with me had I not pulled the trigger. It's just awful! For me, anyway. The LC9 wasn't better and was *just barely*too large. The Tomcat had the best trigger of the bunch but felt heavy and was really wide. The Kel-Tecs felt like I could squeeze my hand and break them. I'm probably discounting guns too quickly, and perhaps nothing meets my criteria perfectly. There's a local gunsmith who does trigger jobs for SR9cs and I'm waiting to hear back from him on the LCP. If he thinks he can work miracles, I will buy it. Otherwise, the top of the leader board is still the P380.

Although if not going with the LCP or something in that range, this purchase might be on the back burner a few more weeks. I just bought an Eotech on the Calgun trading post and burned up half my gun fund. I always find the best deals when I need my money for something else.
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Once you work the bugs out, the Kahr pistols are nice shooters. When I'm thinking about pocket pistols, to a certain extent I don't think about shootability. I think about ease of concealment. I sold my PM9 which was a great gun and plan on replacing it with a LCP when funds are there. The PM9 is way too big for pocket carry unless you're wearing baggy shorts. And even then, it's a bit too heavy compared to the LCP.
Can a CA resident purchase the LCP?
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Op lives in the free state of NC (although Rugers LC9 is on the roster here in CA)
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I bought the Seecamp 32 and 380 (waited a year from the factory). The 32 is a nice gun, very small. The 380 is painful to shoot, but the same size as the 32. It is a little on the heavy side since it is all stainless. I sold the 380 version and kept the 32.

I like my p238 sas. I have had no problems with it what so ever. I also have had a Kel Tec P32 for about 4 years. Approx 500 rounds downrange and zero issues with mine. I like the weight of the Kel Tec.

I have had a PM9 and after the fourth time to the factory I sold it and will never go back to that company. Some are good, some bad. For the ones that one great out of the box, you should have a great gun that will last with no problems. If you are unlucky like me and get a lemon, just keep sending it back.

I like the Rohbaugh's. They are tiny. Never got to fire one though.
I like to buy a seecamp 32acp..but I have heard some complaints about its picky ammo and hammer strut broke once in a while...How many round have you shot through your seecamp 32? thanks...
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I like to buy a seecamp 32acp..but I have heard some complaints about its picky ammo and hammer strut broke once in a while...How many round have you shot through your seecamp 32? thanks...
The Seecamp will only shoot hollow point 32's. Since they are the semi rimmed cartridge, instead of making a wire like kel tec does to help and not get a hang fire, the hollow point fits perfect in the mag. As far as a hammer strut goes I never had any issues with that. I know you can damage the spring if you pull the trigger with the magazine half way in. If you read his instruction book Larry wrote, it's pretty funny and to the point.

I have put about 300 rounds through it with no issues and all kinds of hollow point ammo. I had no issues with the 380 version, but not so many rounds.

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IMO the LCP 380 is the most compact, best priced, best shooting "micro" pistol for pocket carry.

If you want a 9, then I vote PM9. I am waiting for Sig's and Kimber's single stack 9 offerings later this year.
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You need to see all the micro pistols together ... the Seecamp really stands out ... quality, size, and dependability

I know Larry Seecamp. What you find is that Larry Seecamp is a true gunsmith, and has a real IQ of 165.
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380 = LCP or Bodyguard
9mm = LC9 or CM9/PM9

I already have 9mm, .40 , .45 AND 5.7 so I dont want another calibur. Thats why I'm waiting for the Kahr CM9. If it doesn't make the CA roster then its the LC9 The PM9 would be my first choice if it wasnt so dang expensive. I can almost buy an LCP and a LC9 for the price. Don't get me started on the Ruger Scout rifle.
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I would prefer a Springfield Armory EMP 9mm or .40 cal
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Leaning LCP at the moment. There's a local gunsmith who does trigger jobs on Rugers, but I don't know how much he can change it.
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