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Trap, is there any way of dating a Model 67 with no SN? I pick it up next Tuesday.
Nope, sorry Dutch. Models 64 through Models 679 were not serial numbered. The 67 was made from 1934 to 1963, with a total of 652,538 rifles made.
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Hi TRAPP55

I inherited a model 1894 a few years back, serial number 89903, got any info on this oldie but goodie?
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I inherited a model 1894 a few years back, serial number 89903, got any info on this oldie but goodie?
Made in 1900, with 23,784 made that year.
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Thanks TRAP55, cool info
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TRAP55 - here's a challenge for you...... If I wanted a Winchester 94 that was made in November of 1956, what serial number range would I be looking for? Bonus points if you can narrow it down to the last half of November.
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TRAP55 - here's a challenge for you...... If I wanted a Winchester 94 that was made in November of 1956, what serial number range would I be looking for? Bonus points if you can narrow it down to the last half of November.
Oooookay....by my best calculations, and going for the bonus points, the last half of Nov 1956 production would fall somewhere between serial number 2204562, and 2206875.
Can I cash the bonus points in for some Motrin? All that math hurt my head.
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Oooookay....by my best calculations, and going for the bonus points, the last half of Nov 1956 production would fall somewhere between serial number 2204562, and 2206875.
Can I cash the bonus points in for some Motrin? All that math hurt my head.
I can send you some Motrin, if you like.

Thanks for the answer - it is a long shot but I'd like to find my "birthday gun" someday, so I'll keep that serial number range in my wallet just in case................ you just never know!
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It was my great grandfather's model 94 in 32-40, he was not the first owner and probably bought it shortly after WWI. It was a wall hanger for some years in my father's home, I got it after Dad passed. It's in somewhat poor shape, the finish is mostly a brown patina now, the butt stock is beat and has a crack where the lower butt plate screw goes, but the bore is just a little fuzzy, but no rust, and all the original parts are still on it including the ivory front sight. It's the oldest family gun in my collection, what can you tell me about it? TIA

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It was my great grandfather's model 94 in 32-40, he was not the first owner and probably bought it shortly after WWI. It was a wall hanger for some years in my father's home, I got it after Dad passed. It's in somewhat poor shape, the finish is mostly a brown patina now, the butt stock is beat and has a crack where the lower butt plate screw goes, but the bore is just a little fuzzy, but no rust, and all the original parts are still on it including the ivory front sight. It's the oldest family gun in my collection, what can you tell me about it? TIA

That one was made about April of 1895, with 12,548 made that year. The first year of production only saw 1674 made.
Most people associate the 1894 as the "thirty thirty". The first two calibers offered were .32/40 and 38/55. Serial number 3314 was the first rifle offered in 30 W.C.F.
MeatyMac, Bert would be interested in that one for his survey. Email him at Win1885@msn.com with some pics. He can give you the exact day it was made too.
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Hello Trap55,

You seem to be a deep source of valuable information & insight on the old Winchesters.

My father recently passed away, and left me a few of his hunting guns, one of which is a Model 12 featherweight - 12 ga. Serial: 1801222F.

A local gunsmith told me that I would be safe firing either lead or steel shot with this gun (Mod choke?, according to him). Can you confirm this?

Any and all info you have to share with me regarding this gun would be enormously appreciated. Thank you in advance!
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Hello Trap55,

You seem to be a deep source of valuable information & insight on the old Winchesters.

My father recently passed away, and left me a few of his hunting guns, one of which is a Model 12 featherweight - 12 ga. Serial: 1801222F.

A local gunsmith told me that I would be safe firing either lead or steel shot with this gun (Mod choke?, according to him). Can you confirm this?

Any and all info you have to share with me regarding this gun would be enormously appreciated. Thank you in advance!
Model 12 featherweight - 12 ga. Serial: 1801222F was made in late 1958, with 53,554 made that year.
As to shooting steel shot through a barrel made for lead shot in 1958, the arguments for or against it, are pretty even. My personal opinion, I wouldn't, especially on a family heirloom, and I have plenty of other shotguns made for steel shot I can use.
A fixed Modified Choke for lead, is a Full Choke for steel. If the barrel was was choked Full, I would say absolutely not! You would risk opening the choke as a best case, bulging or splitting the barrel worse case.
Now all that said, lawyers and ammo manufacturers have provided alternatives to steel shot in lead shot barrels, like bismuth heavy shot. If steel is all you have, A Pre 64 Winchester Model 12 with a fixed Mod choke will handle it, I just personally wouldn't make it the steady diet.
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Hi Trap55,

I have four M70's, serial numbers 268569, 334151, 403956, and 506093. I would appreciate any info on manufacturing or ship dates. Thank you !

This thread makes for interesting reading - thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge!

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Hi Trap55,

I have four M70's, serial numbers 268569, 334151, 403956, and 506093. I would appreciate any info on manufacturing or ship dates. Thank you !

This thread makes for interesting reading - thank you for taking the time to share your knowledge!

Mike
268569 was made in 1953, with 43,915 made that year.
334151 was made in 1955, with 37,495 made that year.
403956 was made in 1957, with 31,688 made that year.
506093 was made in 1961, with 41,189 made that year.
A letter from Cody would give you the shipping dates, and any options they were shipped with.
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268569 was made in 1953, with 43,915 made that year.
334151 was made in 1955, with 37,495 made that year.
403956 was made in 1957, with 31,688 made that year.
506093 was made in 1961, with 41,189 made that year.
A letter from Cody would give you the shipping dates, and any options they were shipped with.
Thank you Sir!
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Winchester Model 92, serial number 874283. 1919?
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Winchester Model 92, serial number 874283. 1919?
Yep, late half, with 26,380 made that year.
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I recently brought into my collection a Winchester Model 94 30WCF ser#1472701. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
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I recently brought into my collection a Winchester Model 94 30WCF ser#1472701. Any info would be greatly appreciated!
Made about Jan/Feb of 1948, with the highest production year (pre '64) of 147,934 made that year.
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Hi Trap, How about Model 1897 Ser. 62117?

Thanks!
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Hi Trap, How about Model 1897 Ser. 62117?

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Mike, your 97 was made in late 1898, with 17,677 made that year.
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Hi Trap,

How about an 1892 SN 159152

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How about an 1892 SN 159152

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Made in early 1901, with 28,116 made that year.
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Correct me if I'm reading this wrong, but a Model 1885 serial 314X was manufactured 1886?

That same list that I'm looking at places some of my model 70's in the late 30's ie - the 30/06 serial 507X and the .257 roberts serial 4036 were both manufactured in '37, .22 hornet serial 2991X was from '39?

The model 70 list doesn't seem quite accurate, maybe I'm missing something...
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Model 1885 serial 314X was manufactured 1886?
Correct, 505 were made in 1885, 7687 were made in 1886.

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30/06 serial 507X and the .257 Roberts serial 4036 were both manufactured in '37
Also correct, 9,335 made that year. Serial numbers started at 2,239 and ended at 11,573.

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22 hornet serial 2991X was from '39?
Nope. Your Model 70 .22 Hornet, serial number 2991X was made in late 1940.
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Correct, 505 were made in 1885, 7687 were made in 1886.


Also correct, 9,335 made that year. Serial numbers started at 2,239 and ended at 11,573.


Nope. Your Model 70 .22 Hornet, serial number 2991X was made in late 1940.
If no one has told you, you're doing a great job. Thanks again for the help.
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If no one has told you, you're doing a great job. Thanks again for the help.
I will repeat it...

I always enjoy reading this thread.

Thank you TRAP55
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You know, when I started this thread, I had absolutely no idea, not only the number of pre 64 Winchesters I have dated here, but how many rare and special order models have shown up too!
I have really enjoyed doing this for you guys, not only for you to have the correct date of manufacture and some info, but I've learned a lot myself too. I am by no means a "Winchester Expert", and every time I get together with Bert, who is one, I feel like all that I know, and have learned, is a drop in the bucket.
Bert is currently compiling all the "correct and factual" data, for a comprehensive book, something like the Madis book should have been. Then we can take the Madis book/bad data, burn it with fire, and bury it forever!
The data I have been using to date your guns, will soon be available online for everyone. When it is, I'll post a link to it. Probably be a death sentence for this thread, but I'll still answer what questions I can, and you can't ask them there.
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Model 1897 SN 386324

Thank you!
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Model 1897 SN 386324

Thank you!
Made in late 1907, with 46,162 made that year.
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Awesome! It was my grandfather's, thank you for the info!

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Winchester model 12 s# 1808753F
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Winchester model 12 s# 1808753F
Made in late 1958, with 53,554 made that year.
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Hey, can you date my Model 1911 SL, SN A9727?
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Hey, can you date my Model 1911 SL, SN A9727?
One of the few models with serial numbers, that no records have been found for.
Made 1911 to 1925, with a total of 82,744 made.
Doing the math, 15 yrs with a total of 82,744, would average out to about 5,516 a year. Given they rarely met a guesstimate average the first year, my best WAG would be 1913.
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One of the few models with serial numbers, that no records have been found for.
Made 1911 to 1925, with a total of 82,744 made.
Doing the math, 15 yrs with a total of 82,744, would average out to about 5,516 a year. Given they rarely met a guesstimate average the first year, my best WAG would be 1913.
Darn. Thanks for the ballpark, I figured it was an earlier one.
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Model 94 2230xxx

Guessing 1956?
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Close kouye, late 1957, with 55,500 made that year.
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Darn. Thanks for the ballpark, I figured it was an earlier one.
Like I said, "my best WAG". It may well have been made in 1911, maybe someday we'll know.
The Model 1911 has an interesting history.
Winchester learned a valuable lesson when dealing with Mr. Browning.
They wouldn't meet his terms for his 1898 Autoloader design, so he told them to stick it, and it became the Belgium made Browning Auto 5. That set the standard for auto shotguns.
With Browning getting the deal he wanted from Remington, the Auto 5 and Remington Model 11 sales were putting a hurt on Winchester. T.C. Johnson was assigned the task of designing Winchester's first auto,... without infringing on Browning's patent. He joked that it took him 10 yrs to do it.
A number of fatality accidents occurred when shooters tried to clear a stuck round, causing a slamfire. That earned it the moniker of "The Widowmaker", and a short production run.
They tried again with the modified Model 1911 called the Model 40, and that only lasted a year with 12,000 made. They had to give up on the recoiling barrel design, and introduced the Model 50 with a floating chamber sleeve.
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Close kouye, late 1957, with 55,500 made that year.
Dang! Missed the 10 ring! Thanks.
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One more..old one...

Model 1984, 26" octagon barrel, 30 WCF

563xx (5-digit)

1898-1899?

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