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Old 01-08-2017, 5:04 AM
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Default brit 303 n4m1 works wont feed rounds properly

Hello, this is my first post.... I have a brittish 303 no 4 mark 1..... made '42 in america, that wont feed rounds properly. When hand fed 1 round at a time the weapon is flawless and accurate. also it extracts rounds no problem... the trouble is when i install a magazine, using the bolt, the rounds are hard to insert into the barrel and will jam, or the bolt will miss (move above and not touch) the round all together. I have 1 old original style magazine and 1 new aftermarket magazine-same issue with both. Thank you for your time, any ideas would be greatly appreciated... any ideas on a good gunsmith in n. county sandiego all i know is duncans, their wanting list is long.----Mark V
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Old 01-08-2017, 7:50 AM
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the trouble is when i install a magazine, using the bolt, the rounds are hard to insert into the barrel and will jam, or the bolt will miss (move above and not touch) the round all together. I have 1 old original style magazine and 1 new aftermarket magazine-same issue with both----Mark V
Just curious, are you loading the magazine outside of the rifle, then installing it? This is how you make it sound. I don't know how that'd cause a problem but just the same, that's not really how the rifle was meant to operate. You should not need to remove the mag except when cleaning. Just load the rounds in from the top of the action while the bolt's open.

Also, since .303 is rimmed, HOW you load the rounds in the magazine is very important. It's possible to do it wrong in such a way that the top round's rim will hang up on the rim of the round below. So.... make sure you're not doing that.

BTW, what's this new aftermarket magazine you have? Again, just curious.
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Old 01-08-2017, 7:58 AM
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BTW, there used to be a guy in San Diego, El Cajon actually, who would be a go-to guy for Lee Enfields. His name was/is Brian or Bryan I think, aan he used to sell LEs at the Del Mar gun shows. But this was 10-15 years ago. I may have his old card somewhere. But I cannot find him using google.
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Old 01-08-2017, 8:11 AM
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What bullet type are you using? Could be your magazine feed lips.

My No. 4 won't feed SP, so I stick with FMJ rather than bother adjusting the feed lips. I don't hunt with it anyway so I don't see much point messing with the magazine.
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Old 01-08-2017, 9:17 AM
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Check the two tabs at the front of the magazine. Might need to bend one or both a little bit if you are having issues chambering the rounds. After tweaking the tabs only my last round has issues now unless I push it down with my hand before riding the bolt.
Now jamming it up with a 7.62x54r snap cap is another issue you may or may not run into...

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Old 01-08-2017, 11:27 AM
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Yeah as others have said the tabs are likely out of whack on the mag. If the nose of the round is getting jammed on the feed ramp it means you need to lift up the front of the tabs a bit. If its skipping a round lift the back of the tabs a bit.

Basically the mag is not designed to be detachable / interchangeable. Each mag must be tuned to a specific rifle.
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1) I did not know any SMLEs were made in America. The Long Branches are made in Canada, which is North America, but I didn't know any were made in USA.

2) Aren't there different types of mags? Like the #1 Mk3 mags are different than the #4 Mk1? I'm not positive about this but I do recall seeing mags listed for a specific # so I assumed they are different.

3) Yeah, rimlock is an issue with rimmed cartridges. Pay attention to how they're loaded.

4) As others have stated, the mags should be inserted into the gun and then top loaded.
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Old 01-08-2017, 12:55 PM
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Sounds like a mag issue to me too. Try to see what exactly the rounds are getting caught up on and bend and pollish what you need to get it going smooth. I have two number 4s and have zero issues with either of them.
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Old 01-08-2017, 1:21 PM
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No, there were no SMLEs made in the US, but Savage did produce the No. 4 rifle.
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1) I did not know any SMLEs were made in America. The Long Branches are made in Canada, which is North America, but I didn't know any were made in USA.

Savage made them, usually marked Property of US Govt.

2) Aren't there different types of mags? Like the #1 Mk3 mags are different than the #4 Mk1? I'm not positive about this but I do recall seeing mags listed for a specific # so I assumed they are different.

The mag for Number 1 and No4 are slightly different in the catch.

3) Yeah, rimlock is an issue with rimmed cartridges. Pay attention to how they're loaded.

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4) As others have stated, the mags should be inserted into the gun and then top loaded.
Mags were only removed for cleaning because the lips get bent..... It's the lips or rimlock.

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The magazine may not be completely seated. Give it a good smack on the bottom once it seems to be all the way in to be sure that it is.
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The magazine may not be completely seated. Give it a good smack on the bottom once it seems to be all the way in to be sure that it is.
Yep. Might also be the case. I thought of this too. Yet another reason not to pop mags out and in all the time.
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Load the rounds so that the rims are staggered. Top round in front of the 2nd. 3rd and 5th in front of the 4th. Sorry I don't have a pic but I think you can figure it out.

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All the advice above is good. When making adjustments to the feed lips go slow and gentle, they will break if mess with them too much.

Make sure the magazine is fully seated, and never remove it from the rifle for loading. Always load with it fully inserted into the rifle.

I have a No5 with a similar problem about it skipping rounds. I've tried three different mags that work in my No4 s, changed the spring and follower and nothing makes a difference. I'm thinking it's something in the geometry of the receiver that I can't fix, so I just live with it.
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It is stamped US gov property Alex. VA.... I have been loading it with the mag out..(now i know better. thanx).. I just picked up some stripper clips... i do understand they have to be staggered. i took the heavier spring out of the new promag and installed it in my original mag, massaged the tabs a bit, it now feeds night and day different. it still hangs up on a sharp edge inside the breach/mag area , it digs into the rim of the bullets i will try to buff/ round it off a bit.. I will keep you informed of my progress Thank you for your time and the Info!!!!

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Old 01-10-2017, 6:56 AM
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Also i have been using PPU fmj rounds. i got them cheap, in bulk at the delmar gun show... are these junk? i will get a box of another brand to see if this helps.
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None of the new ppu I have used is junk. I wish I could have stocked up when it was cheaper.
All new ppu is good to go good.
All old (surplus) ppu is good to go, some of the 1950's 8mm is ok. Some click bangs, and double strikes, but shot excellent.
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