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Old 04-18-2016, 2:38 PM
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Anyone have any experience with these or the parts kits from Sarco?

http://www.e-sarcoinc.com/bm59-apennine-model.aspx



Says grenade launcher SIGHT and "muzzle booster"

Obviously mags are a no go unless blocked but just haphazardly wondering "what if"

EDIT: from parts kit page: Note- Grenade Launchers cannot be shipped to California. They will be removed from California orders for the BM59 Italian.

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Old 04-18-2016, 7:16 PM
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I left my BM59 back home in Hawaii . I'm not ruining it to conform to PRK BS rules.
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Old 04-18-2016, 7:57 PM
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If it uses a Springfield receiver, it is banned under 1989 California assault ban.
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If it uses a Springfield receiver, it is banned under 1989 California assault ban.
Yep, our overlords have banned it by name.
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Penal Code 30510
As used in this chapter and in Sections 16780, 17000, and 27555, "assault weapon" means the following designated semiautomatic firearms:
(a) All of the following specified rifles:
(13) Springfield Armory BM59 and SAR-48.
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Old 04-18-2016, 11:12 PM
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Get the kit and don't make it on a Springfield receiver? I've been intrigued since I got the email alao
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While I have no experience w/the BM-59 kit, I did once buy a gun parts kit from SARCO. Parts ranged from being completely unserviceable to new and still in the wrap. So the kit was "cobbled together" and not from an individual gun. I suggest you call ahead to find out what to expect. Me? I'd maybe order a part from them - but never a complete gun kit, as I found out that "sarco" does indeed stand for "send any rusty crap out"...

But, yeah - I don't see why a fellow couldn't simply build a BM-59 on another brand of receiver than Springfield.
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You can pick up a nice USGI stuffed LRB or Fulton for $1500.
BM mags are incredibly expensive.
7.62 conversion + mag fed Garand = M1A
There is more aftermarket or manufacturer's support for M1 pattern and M14 pattern rifles.
Guys like Shuff specialize in moonshot something in the middle BTW an M1&M14.
If you aren't building it yourself, I'd pick his brain first.

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Perhaps someone can explain to me the allure of this weapon. It looks like a modified M1A, which is plentiful and legal in CA without jumping through a bunch of hoops.
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Perhaps someone can explain to me the allure of this weapon. It looks like a modified M1A, which is plentiful and legal in CA without jumping through a bunch of hoops.
It's built around a Garand receiver; the M-14 uses a different receiver that is derived from the Garand receiver, design-wise. This is the Italian battle rifle, made by Beretta. Uses a shorter barrel, this version has a combination compensator/flash suppressor/grenade spigot with a bayonet lug attached, a direct-fire grenade sight (it can also be fitted with a quadrant site for indirect fire), has swivels that allow for the sling to be side-mounted, uses an assault bipod, has a rubber butt bad with a lighter flip-up plate for the shoulder, and the stock is a Garand type, which has a shorter forearm than the M-14 stock, and a different magazine (bulkier, probably the most sturdy of the 7.62mm mags, with a chrome-plated follower. It essentially retains the Garand gas system, which is not self-adjusting like the M-14's. The gas cutoff is connected to the direct-fire grenade sight like on the Yugo SKS.

It's a cousin of the M-14, but a different weapon. They are quite nice, if a bit heavy due to all of their features, although you can always use a plain gas cylinder with the BM-59E short compensator or use a Garand gas cylinder with that compensator or without one. This gives it a CA-legal configuration and takes a good bit of weight off; kind of looks like a magazine-fed short Garand in that configuration. 10-round magazines are rare and expensive, though. IMO, while the muzzle device pictured would make it an assault weapon if fitted, I believe Sarco is wrong in claiming that it's prohibited in CA.
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It's good to go, buildable on a Garand receiver (some modification required)
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Perhaps someone can explain to me the allure of this weapon. It looks like a modified M1A, which is plentiful and legal in CA without jumping through a bunch of hoops.
I'd say more intrigue than allure for me. I hadn't seen one before and don't have one so that automatically gets me curious.
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It's good to go, buildable on a Garand receiver (some modification required)
If I do one, I'll probably build it in a Beretta Garand receiver. These parts kits are very tempting.
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http://shuffsparkerizing.com

Get some ideas here.
Curious what you guys end up building.
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Shuffs built mine years ago
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Like the M1 Garand there is a certain mystic around these relics of WWII...
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This is not an M1A as others have said. When you build a BM59 on a Garand receiver you are getting the real deal. More importantly you are getting a rifle that is very very robust/tough. I prefer the BM62 or 69 type because I like to hunt with them but, at the range, the 59 is a riot.

I do them from kits, from parts, or people just send their Garand and I provide it all.

http://shuffsparkerizing.com/bm59-program/
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Perhaps someone can explain to me the allure of this weapon. It looks like a modified M1A, which is plentiful and legal in CA without jumping through a bunch of hoops.
A better question might be, why do we have to jump through hoops?
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Looks like this is already built on a M1 receiver and is good to go if you send it to an MFG / SOT who will change the Says grenade launcher SIGHT. This is an add for a functional rifle.
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Our BM59 Alpini isn't a really great shooter beyond 150 yards. Dad bought it in the early 80's sometime. Very cool rifle, but.....
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