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Old 03-13-2011, 6:02 PM
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I'm trying to figure out if I can transport my gun inside its case unloaded without any loaded mags inside my locked trunk while driving to the range or does the case itself have to be locked as well.
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i'm pretty sure as long as its in the trunk your ok
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The gun is supposed to be transported in a "locked container".....a trunk is considered a locked container
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Old 03-13-2011, 6:07 PM
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That's fine, the issue is hand carrying it from your house to the car or car to range.
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Why are you worried about transporting it without loaded mags in the same case? It's perfectly legal to do that.
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Someone please educate me about all this gun locking stuff. I am confused. Why would you need to have an unloaded gun locked up in anything? I thought the rule was ammo seperate from firearm, period. Firearm up front, ammo in trunk. Done. Unless of course you have a permit, then load and carry on person. And if you like, load and place a back up large caliber weapon incase things go hairpod. That's my daily routine.
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I'm trying to figure out if I can transport my gun inside its case unloaded without any loaded mags inside my locked trunk while driving to the range or does the case itself have to be locked as well.
Legal.

Also legal:

Unloaded in it's case in a locked trunk with loaded magazines in the same case (but not in the gun)

Unloaded in a locked case in the passenger compartment with the ammo and loaded magazines on the seat next to it.

Unloaded in a locked case in the passenger compartment with the ammo and loaded magazines in the case next to it (but not in the gun).

Legal but not recommended:
More than 1000ft away from a K-12 school...
Unloaded, plain view. Loaded or unloaded magazines on the seat next to it.
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Someone please educate me about all this gun locking stuff. I am confused. Why would you need to have an unloaded gun locked up in anything? I thought the rule was ammo seperate from firearm, period. Firearm up front, ammo in trunk. Done. Unless of course you have a permit, then load and carry on person. And if you like, load and place a back up large caliber weapon incase things go hairpod. That's my daily routine.
Hayman is correct; the gun has to be unloaded, and in a different part of the vehicle than the UNLOADED mags, and ammo. Unloaded mags and ammo can be in one bag, in the trunk. Gun in another bag/case, in the back seat.
If it's an SUV, gun in back seat, mags/ammo in the rear. That's what I've been told by a Calif LEO, in a training class.
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This should answer all your questions:

http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...p/Transporting
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Someone please educate me about all this gun locking stuff. I am confused. Why would you need to have an unloaded gun locked up in anything? I thought the rule was ammo seperate from firearm, period. Firearm up front, ammo in trunk. Done. Unless of course you have a permit, then load and carry on person. And if you like, load and place a back up large caliber weapon incase things go hairpod. That's my daily routine.
With some exceptions, it is illegal to carry a concealed weapon without a permit.
With some exceptions, it is illegal to carry a loaded weapon without a permit.
Locked container negates "concealed"

No restrictions on the transportation of ammo other than restrictions against possession on school grounds and a few other sensitive places.


Read PC 12025, 12026, and 12031

http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12025.html
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12025.5.html
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12026.html
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12026.1.html
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12026.2.html
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12031.html
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/12031.1.html

and 626.9:
http://law.onecle.com/california/penal/626.9.html
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A pistol needs to be in locked container while being transport in a car.

Your pistol can be in an unlocked case, or out of a case if it is in the trunk. A trunk is considered to be a locked container. As long as there is no access to the trunk through the back seat.

A fire arm is only 'loaded' when there is a loaded magazine in the mag-well of the gun. Or there is an unexpended round in the chamber.

It is perfectly legal to have ammo scattered about all over your car (not recommended, but legal). It is perfectly legal to have a loaded magazine in the same locked container as the gun. As long as it is not in the mag-well of the gun.

You can have a pistol on the front passenger seat with a loaded magazine right next to it. It is perfectly legal because it is not concealed. Don't expect any LEO to know any of this.

However, all firearms need to be in a locked container when in a traveling through a restricted area (like within 1000' of a school).

It is extremely imperative that you read and reread and reread the law (federal, state and local). Consult a lawyer in regards to any questions. Know all your rights.

Keep a copy of Penal Codes and highlight those related to your needs. Do not be afraid to politely ask a LEO to consult their supervisor if they are unaware of material you are presenting.

I would suggest buying a decent lockable container to transport your firearm and ammunition in. Keep it locked all the time. Then you don't have to worry about it. If a LEO inquires as to what is in the container.... your response should always be 'I have nothing illegal'.

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Hayman is correct; the gun has to be unloaded, and in a different part of the vehicle than the UNLOADED mags, and ammo. Unloaded mags and ammo can be in one bag, in the trunk. Gun in another bag/case, in the back seat.
If it's an SUV, gun in back seat, mags/ammo in the rear. That's what I've been told by a Calif LEO, in a training class.
You were told incorrectly.

What you were told is not the law. What you were told is what that particular LEO wants to see.

Magazines can be loaded.
Magazines can be in the same locked container with the gun.
The locked container with the gun and the mags can be in your lap.

Cops and gun shop employees make up laws all the time, but when you press them, they cannot cite the California PC to support their claim because it doesn't exist.

This is what is called FUD - Fear, Uncertainty, and Doubt.
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I read through the thread and want more specific answer for me and my truck. I understand that it's legal if the gun and ammo is in a locked trunk of a car.

But what is the requirement for transporting handguns on a truck without a cover.
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I read through the thread and want more specific answer for me and my truck. I understand that it's legal if the gun and ammo is in a locked trunk of a car.

But what is the requirement for transporting handguns on a truck without a cover.
Lock them in a container, like a range bag or backpack.
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A pistol needs to be in locked container while being transport in a car.

Your pistol can be in an unlocked case, or out of a case if it is in the trunk. A trunk is considered to be a locked container. As long as there is no access to the trunk through the back seat.

A fire arm is only 'loaded' when there is a loaded magazine in the mag-well of the gun. Or there is an unexpended round in the chamber.

It is perfectly legal to have ammo scattered about all over your car (not recommended, but legal). It is perfectly legal to have a loaded magazine in the same locked container as the gun. As long as it is not in the mag-well of the gun.

You can have a pistol on the front passenger seat with a loaded magazine right next to it. It is perfectly legal because it is not concealed. Don't expect any LEO to know any of this.

However, all firearms need to be in a locked container when in a traveling through a restricted area (like within 1000' of a school).

It is extremely imperative that you read and reread and reread the law (federal, state and local). Consult a lawyer in regards to any questions. Know all your rights.

Keep a copy of Penal Codes and highlight those related to your needs. Do not be afraid to politely ask a LEO to consult their supervisor if they are unaware of material you are presenting.

I would suggest buying a decent lockable container to transport your firearm and ammunition in. Keep it locked all the time. Then you don't have to worry about it. If a LEO inquires as to what is in the container.... your response should always be 'I have nothing illegal'.

Good luck!
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Never get your information from a LEO or a Gun Store Employee...LOL.

I carry my GLOCK 29 with 2 full magazines in this container ON MY FRONT SEAT IN MY CAR...



The Locked/unloaded weapon travels in this NETBOOK CASE that I bought at Target for $18. The combo lock I got at a gun store.


It would take a WARRANT to open it. It is perfectly LEGAL this way.

I have nothing Illegal in my car officer. Am I free to go..?..

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Well, I do what I can ...

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You should actually carry it concealed on you! P.C 12031 (a) (1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle, etc.... However PC12031 (b) subdivision (a) Shall not apply to any of the following: (5) Persons who are using target ranges for the purpose of practice shooting with a firearm or who are members of shooting clubs while hunting on the premises of those clubs.

In addition check out PC 12026.2 (9) Transportation of a firearm by person when going directly to, or coming directly from, a target range, which holds a regulatory or business license, for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets with that firearm etc...

You need to keep on mind, when you guys head to the range or wherever you guys are carrying a bounty on your head if criminals know what you are possessing. For one you're carrying something very reliable thus a firearm and criminals would love to snatch your firearms etc, rob you , car jack you. So be conscious anytime you have your firearms visible. Be conscious don't make it obvious that you have guns its not cool. Hope this helps.

Or you can just have your firearm in open view and un loaded.
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Even if CA laws say you can carry it wouldn't the federal 1000' school zone bite you in many areas?
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I'm too cheap to buy a nice range bag, so what I use for a locked container is a cheap Plano or Craftsman tool box , the one in the pics is my old retired airline gate box, it's pretty beat up and stained, I have a new one I use, but it's no where to be found at the moment?

I have to go do my weapons qual for my Cali CCW in the AM, so I'll use old red, I don't worry about locking it since it's in my locked trunk, but if I needed to put it in the passenger compt, I can throw a Master lock on it.

And yes I do have loaded mags inside each case with it's gun, but not inserted in the mag well. totally legal, and I don't worry about a LEO inspection because he will have no probable cause to search me and I would not give consent any ways, besides I'm 47 , been pulled over several times in my life, never asked about firearms.

You can also use a back pack, many have zippers with loop that you can throw a small lock on, most of us all have a back pack or small toll box laying around.

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You should actually carry it concealed on you! P.C 12031 (a) (1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle, etc.... However PC12031 (b) subdivision (a) Shall not apply to any of the following: (5) Persons who are using target ranges for the purpose of practice shooting with a firearm or who are members of shooting clubs while hunting on the premises of those clubs.

In addition check out PC 12026.2 (9) Transportation of a firearm by person when going directly to, or coming directly from, a target range, which holds a regulatory or business license, for the purpose of practicing shooting at targets with that firearm etc...

You need to keep on mind, when you guys head to the range or wherever you guys are carrying a bounty on your head if criminals know what you are possessing. For one you're carrying something very reliable thus a firearm and criminals would love to snatch your firearms etc, rob you , car jack you. So be conscious anytime you have your firearms visible. Be conscious don't make it obvious that you have guns its not cool. Hope this helps.

Or you can just have your firearm in open view and un loaded.
Oddly, you quote PC referring to 'loaded' and then suggest carrying 'concealed'.

12026.9 is a list of exceptions for 'legal destinations' while not using a vehicle; if you choose to pay attention to 12026.9 and carry the handgun concealed, the handgun must be unloaded and in a locked case.

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Doesn't do a thing for you if you're elsewhere.
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You need to keep on mind, when you guys head to the range or wherever you guys are carrying a bounty on your head if criminals know what you are possessing. For one you're carrying something very reliable thus a firearm and criminals would love to snatch your firearms etc, rob you , car jack you. So be conscious anytime you have your firearms visible. Be conscious don't make it obvious that you have guns its not cool. Hope this helps.
I do worry about this, kinda bs to have to carry my gun in a locked case. I don't know of any instances of anyone getting 'purse snatched' in front of our local range, which is right on 'main street' but I am paranoid when I walk out of there, especially at night.. I try to park right in front, but can't always....
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I wish companies who make range bags would take CA law into consideration. It's impossible to secure my range bag, and having to use separate containers for my firearms just defeats the purpose.
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I wish companies who make range bags would take CA law into consideration. It's impossible to secure my range bag, and having to use separate containers for my firearms just defeats the purpose.
GFSZs are a Federal thing. So, locking range bags or firearm cases are required in all 50 states if one is transporting through a GFSZ.
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Rifle, shotguns, and pistol unloaded and in their respective soft cases locked into the car trunk.

Rifle, shotgun, and pistol ammo loaded into magazines or in their boxes inside my range bag in the foot well of the back seat.

Done.
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THIS ^^^^^

Never get your information from a LEO or a Gun Store Employee...LOL.

I carry my GLOCK 29 with 2 full magazines in this container ON MY FRONT SEAT IN MY CAR...



The Locked/unloaded weapon travels in this NETBOOK CASE that I bought at Target for $18. The combo lock I got at a gun store.


It would take a WARRANT to open it. It is perfectly LEGAL this way.

I have nothing Illegal in my car officer. Am I free to go..?..

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The laws here are all over but if this guys statement and yours are true then I just became a much safer driver as I drive between NorCal and SoCal every other week.
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THIS ^^^^^

Never get your information from a LEO or a Gun Store Employee...LOL.

I carry my GLOCK 29 with 2 full magazines in this container ON MY FRONT SEAT IN MY CAR...



The Locked/unloaded weapon travels in this NETBOOK CASE that I bought at Target for $18. The combo lock I got at a gun store.


It would take a WARRANT to open it. It is perfectly LEGAL this way.

I have nothing Illegal in my car officer. Am I free to go..?..

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+1 ^ I saw this post from Oceanbob in the original thread & is doing the same thing... thanks Oceanbob!
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Now this looks like the hot ticket for having a gun in the car.
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The wiki link needs to be larger, or better advertised, because it is hard to differentiate between the dense, and those who missed the link.
Also impossible to differentiate between those who can search and those who want spoonfeeding...not that this question isn't answered almost daily

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Someone please educate me about all this gun locking stuff. I am confused. Why would you need to have an unloaded gun locked up in anything? I thought the rule was ammo seperate from firearm, period. Firearm up front, ammo in trunk. Done. Unless of course you have a permit, then load and carry on person. And if you like, load and place a back up large caliber weapon incase things go hairpod. That's my daily routine.
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I read through the thread and want more specific answer for me and my truck. I understand that it's legal if the gun and ammo is in a locked trunk of a car.

But what is the requirement for transporting handguns on a truck without a cover.
Locked case, in the truck. if you want to know why, read the links in post 10.

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Although the wiki is clearer than the PC:
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Lock them in a container, like a range bag or backpack.
That's what I thought, was hoping there's a easier way (i.e. range bag in the trunk bed)
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You should actually carry it concealed on you! P.C 12031 (a) (1) A person is guilty of carrying a loaded firearm when he or she carries a loaded firearm on his or her person or in a vehicle, etc.... However PC12031 (b) subdivision (a) Shall not apply to any of the following: (5) Persons who are using target ranges for the purpose of practice shooting with a firearm or who are members of shooting clubs while hunting on the premises of those clubs.
That does not eliminate the locked container requirement.

The law is not well written (as is the case with most of the PC covering weapons).
There are a number of exemptions, but two requirements of the general exemptions are still unloaded and in a locked container (if concealed, unloaded open carry is not addressed, and thus, legal outside of school zones and other sensitive places).
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GFSZs are a Federal thing. So, locking range bags or firearm cases are required in all 50 states if one is transporting through a GFSZ.
And sadly, CCW reciprocity does not exempt one from the Federal GFSZ.
The Federal statute specifies a CCW license issued by that state.
If you have a non-resident Florida permit, you are GTG in Florida's GFSZ, but not in AZ, Utah, or any of the other states that accept Florida's permit.

And that is the one fly in the ointment to Constitutional Carry.
When no license is required, no license is issued, and carry is not permitted within a Federal GFSZ.
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Although the wiki is clearer than the PC:
http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/in...p/Transporting
Quite true.... but posting the actual PC should cover any "what if" and "but I was told".
It also covers my comment when my friend showed me the flowchart in early 2009....

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even though the trunk is a locked container, I lock mine in a case then put them in the trunk. Better safe than sorry, last thing I need is some uninformed cop slapping cuffs on me cause he doesn't understand the law that he enforces.

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even thought the trunk is a locked container, I lock mine in a case then put them in the trunk. Better safe than sorry, last thing I need is some uninformed cop slapping cuffs on me cause he doesn't understand the law that he enforces.
Also, I will never mention my locked case in my trunk.

1. Also, don't lock your weapon in a GUN BAG or GUN CASE...that just screams GUN to anyone who spots it.

2. I do not consent to a search officer. Am I free to go?

3. Keep it legal
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Whats the deal with the "authorized locations" ?

" 12026.2(b)
(d) and the course of travel shall include only those deviations
between authorized locations as are reasonably necessary under the
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