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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel.

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Old 03-17-2011, 7:13 PM
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I converted that video to a more friendly format to those of us that dont use windows...you can get it here:

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If Gene can post a transcript of the speech, I'll subtitle it when I get a chance.
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I converted that video to a more friendly format to those of us that dont use windows...you can get it here:

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Guns are safer than sex
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Your doing it wrong
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The guns or the sex?
The stats.
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Why is it that you seem to predicate everything on being able to UOC. Do you refuse to associate with people who have CCWs? I doubt those who attended with CCWs disarmed themselves.
Just shows how little you know about SBOC.

Several of our members, including board members have CCWs, but UOC at our events on a regular basis because they believe in the cause. UOCing is not disarming, its certainly not as ideal as LOC, but its better than being disarmed.

Even the most basic creatures don't knowingly and willingly put themselves into areas where they are at a greater risk. Doing otherwise is just counter-intuitive.
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Even the most basic creatures don't knowingly and willingly put themselves into areas where they are at a greater risk. Doing otherwise is just counter-intuitive.
You keep ***uming no one was armed. Unlike an unloaded open carry event there were people carrying loaded firearms at this event.

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Just shows how little you know about SBOC.

Several of our members, including board members have CCWs, but UOC at our events on a regular basis because they believe in the cause. UOCing is not disarming, its certainly not as ideal as LOC, but its better than being disarmed.

Even the most basic creatures don't knowingly and willingly put themselves into areas where they are at a greater risk. Doing otherwise is just counter-intuitive.
I am far from being OCers harshest critic, so please, don't patronize me.

You yourself admitted this event was held in a UOC prohibited zone. But you keep leaving out the fact that UOC prohibition is not the be all and end all of disarmament zones; 12050 permits exempt you from being prosecuted in them. So why not attend, throw coats on, slip the rice papers in your wallets and put them to use?

Again, you just make those of us who have CCWs look petulant for not legally CCWing because we couldn't legally UOC.
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Just shows how little you know about SBOC.

Several of our members, including board members have CCWs, but UOC at our events on a regular basis because they believe in the cause. UOCing is not disarming, its certainly not as ideal as LOC, but its better than being disarmed.
In addition to some of the participants carrying LOADED pistols, I'm quite sure others were carrying the next best thing, knives, I know I had my daily carry blade on me.

The only way you will ever catch me with an unloaded gun on the streets is if I were to go to slide lock on a self defense situation. The only way a unloaded gun is more useful in a real life scenario than nothing at all is that you can use the empty gun to bash the bad guy's brains in, but a rock, bit of brick, hard cover book, cell phone, or just about everything else handy in a urban environment would be as useful.

My guns are meant for one thing, killing, and the honing of that skill. Not making a political statement.
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My guns are meant for one thing, killing, and the honing of that skill. Not making a political statement.
Wow...Now I'm as pro as they come, but I think most would agree that firearms are NOT only meant for "killing".
That sounds like straight out of a bRaDy speech if I ever saw one. "These guns, are only meant for killing"

C'mon dear man...is that really the message you wanna send to the ones who maybe teetering on the fence about or the ones whom we try and educate about the vast many other reasons why firearm ownership is important? The heritage of firearm ownership and recreational uses goes way outside the box from just "killing things" and the "political" 2A.
I don't have to name them all because I feel the masses of Calgunners know what they are to begin with.
You don't have to get political about it, but it doesn't hurt setting an influence to maybe those otherwise "late bloomers" around you,
aside from that "GUNS = KILL", to the many remunerative ways and rewarding challenges that learning to shoot and firearms preservation can be.
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Well, whether it be game animals to put meat on the table, those who threaten my life, or the enemies of my country, yeah, for me it comes down to that, the time spent at the range, while enjoyable and I do enjoy catching up with friends and all that, the time spent at competitions, the research and all the energy I put into it. For me, it all boils down to being able to come out victoriously.

Yes there are many other great benefits to the shooting sport, but for me it all distills down to that one base reason. Think what you want, but I refuse to be a victim, a failure on the battlefield or in the woods looking for a meal.
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All your reasons are fair and justified, certainly some of the many uses. I wouldn't depute the necessity of one's well being on the matter.
But I just feel it's important for all of us to keep in mind to rid the mindset of maybe a new shooter or colleague who might not know any better,
aside from that a firearm's sole purpose is for killing stuff, is foremost.
A little can go a long way, in both directions.
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All your reasons are fair and justified, certainly some of the many uses. I wouldn't depute the necessity of one's well being on the matter.
But I just feel it's important for all of us to keep in mind to rid the mindset of maybe a new shooter or colleague who might not know any better,
aside from that a firearm's sole purpose is for killing stuff, is foremost.
A little can go a long way, in both directions.
That is true, I'll admit that I was drinking last night, so I was on a bit of a single track thought process.
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