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Old 10-11-2006, 10:45 PM
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Default Reality check: riding around with a shotty

So while its legal to drive around with a long gun in your vehicle (unloaded), what is the possible reality that may "happen"?

I am picking up a benelli in a short bit and want to take it along to 4x4 trips and other misc. events. What should I be prepared for if stopped/questioned by an officer?

I live in Los Angeles, and it is my assumption that if a leo sees my shotty the first thing he may do is point his weapon at me and go through the routine. I have no issue with that what so ever, I'm only concerned about being able to drive off with my firearm and no citation

Anyone have any experience with that? Is it something that's strongly not recommended? Should I carry the code that specifies that its legal? any input would be great

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Old 10-12-2006, 12:54 AM
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I've actually only been questioned about guns in my vehicle once by an officer. I was stopping along the roadside to re-organize the cargo in the back of my truck. An officer pulled up and noticed a shotgun. He asked me what I was doing with a shotgun and I told him I was hunting. He then asked if I got anything and if I saw any deer while I was out (appearantly he was also a hunter).

Just tell them you were camping or hunting. They're not as concerned about law abiding citizens with guns as the DOJ (and maybe the LAPD) are.
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Old 10-12-2006, 3:42 AM
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I was thinking about getting one of those cheapy Escort shotguns for the car. That way if a cop decides to take it, it wont be too big of a deal and I wont miss it.
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Old 10-12-2006, 8:00 AM
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I got stopped by CHP on the way back from a camping/wheeling trip out near Palm Springs.

After the usual license/reg/insurance questions he asked me if I had any drugs or weapons in the truck. As I was about to say something he said "besides whats in the case". Told him no, that was it.

He asked if he could take a look at it, rather then making a big stink about it and since I knew I was following the law, I consented. He actually had me take the case out of my truck and open it. Then we had a roadside discussion about shotguns, rifles and shooting. Turned out he was an avid shooter, hunter and collector. Me being a novice at the time, was more then happy to talk to him.

He handed me my paperwork back, said I was free to go and to have a nice day. He didn't shoot my dog , his weapon never came out, nothing exciting to report..

Then again, this guys patrol area was a rural part of riverside county, so seeing good people with guns was probably pretty normal for him. In an urban area, your mileage may vary.
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You will probably never have anything to worry about as long as you are not hanging it in your window and it is not loaded in the vehicle. For those stickler copsmake sure your ammo is either stored seperatly or in a locked case if in the same vehicle compartment.
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What would be the purpose of carrying a firearm in your vehicle if your not going to a specific place to shoot it? Selfdefense? To be cool? For a SHTF scenario?
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What would be the purpose of carrying a firearm in your vehicle if your not going to a specific place to shoot it? Selfdefense? To be cool? For a SHTF scenario?
all of the above, and then some.
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What would be the purpose of carrying a firearm in your vehicle if your not going to a specific place to shoot it? Selfdefense? To be cool? For a SHTF scenario?
Because it is legal and within our rights to do so? That should be sufficient.
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all of the above, and then some.
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Although not as much to be cool, since no one will really know about it but me
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You will probably never have anything to worry about as long as you are not hanging it in your window and it is not loaded in the vehicle. For those stickler copsmake sure your ammo is either stored seperatly or in a locked case if in the same vehicle compartment.
There is a requirement for a transported long gun to be unloaded.

There is no requirement for a long gun's ammo to be locked up or locked separately.

You can perfectly legally have a 12GA behind your truck seat, and a box of shells under your front seat.

If a cop asks you why you have a shotgun in your truck, tell him it's because having a pistol in your glovebox is illegal.
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And whatever you do, make sure the trigger is covered or not going to be actuated by tools or misc. junk behind your seat.

Safety first!

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And whatever you do, make sure the trigger is covered or not going to be actuated by tools or misc. junk behind your seat.

Safety first!

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I know your to treat every gun loaded... but don't take that as a literal sense and KEEP EVERY GUN LOADED while in your vehicle.

I live in a pretty urban area. Very close to downtown LA. I've asked a couple of police officers the law on transporting a firearm. One once told me "you're not even allowed to have a gun in the car" and walked off. Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen there.... Frankly, If an officer does decide to take my gun he better have damn good reason to and if they decide to "arrest me" or "detain me". I'll sue the department for improperly training their officers and/or harassment.
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I live in a pretty urban area. Very close to downtown LA. I've asked a couple of police officers the law on transporting a firearm. One once told me "you're not even allowed to have a gun in the car" and walked off. Thats a lawsuit waiting to happen there.... Frankly, If an officer does decide to take my gun he better have damn good reason to and if they decide to "arrest me" or "detain me". I'll sue the department for improperly training their officers and/or harassment.
That's along the lines of what I was thinking

While its legal, I just have a gut feeling there will be a confrontation if one of the not-so-bright cops sees the shotty out back (mind you I obey speed laws and respect all LEO and am very polite when communicating with them)

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There is a requirement for a transported long gun to be unloaded.

There is no requirement for a long gun's ammo to be locked up or locked separately.

You can perfectly legally have a 12GA behind your truck seat, and a box of shells under your front seat.

If a cop asks you why you have a shotgun in your truck, tell him it's because having a pistol in your glovebox is illegal.

That or you're Reginald Denny's second cousin and you have to drive through South Central today.
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If a cop asks you why you have a shotgun in your truck, tell him it's because having a pistol in your glovebox is illegal.
Hah! missed that one. that's great, have to remember this
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Because it is legal and within our rights to do so? That should be sufficient.

Excellent answer!
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Because it is legal and within our rights to do so? That should be sufficient.
And this why we have more stupid guns laws in California. Say some dumbass breaks into your vehicle and commits a crime with your firearm then what? it is allot easier to break into a car then a home.

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IMHO, direct criminal precedent has minimal influence on the majority of current gun laws.

Look at all the instances where crimes were committed w/ .50 BMG rifles

Look at all the times someone's used a fully-automatic weapon or even a statutory AW to commit crimes (esp in relation to the total number of crimes involving guns).

We all know how the guns currently near the top of the antis' blacklist (.500SW, FiveseveN, .50cal "AWs") are criminal favorites.

Carelessness and/or improper storage of firearms is grossly negligent. However, holding people responsible for criminal actions committed with a stolen gun is tantamount to holding someone responsible because their stolen car is involved in a hit-and-run. As long as the gun is locked up inside the vehicle, blaming the owner is ridiculous. Would you blame the owner of a vehicle involved in a hit-and-run because the car had gas in the tank, thus enabling the perp to drive off?
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And this why we have more stupid guns laws in California. Say some dumbass breaks into your vehicle and commits a crime with your firearm then what? it is allot easier to break into a car then a home.
If someone wants to commit a crime with a firearm, I doubt they're going to be breaking into people's cars to find one. Guns are easy to obtain "on the streets".

Besides, the shotty is a benelli m4, I plan on guarding that sucker with my life
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And this why we have more stupid guns laws in California. Say some dumbass breaks into your vehicle and commits a crime with your firearm then what? it is allot easier to break into a car then a home.
You bring up a legitimate concern, and I'm not sure I have the perfect answer for you...

All I can tell you is, law-abiding citizens should never have their rights taken away, or infringed on, or repealed, or their freedoms slowly eroded, based on the POSSIBLE actions of a few dirtbags who MIGHT break the law...

If some dirtbag breaks into my vehicle and steals my property and uses it in a crime, the only fair and fundamentally AMERICAN solution is to punish the dirtbag. Not me.
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And this why we have more stupid guns laws in California. Say some dumbass breaks into your vehicle and commits a crime with your firearm then what? it is allot easier to break into a car then a home.
The stupid laws that made it harder to have a handgun (which can be easily carried by the owner) made people turn to other legal options.
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the only fair and fundamentally AMERICAN solution is to punish the dirtbag. Not me.
American, not Kalifornian...

I wonder if the inside of your locked (stationary) car is treated the same as your private property? I wonder if the same firearm storage laws apply as far as locks and availability to minors...
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I wonder if the inside of your locked (stationary) car is treated the same as your private property? I wonder if the same firearm storage laws apply as far as locks and availability to minors...
Yes, it is... pretty much. Burglary isn't charged the same, but IIRC, it's still called vehicular burglary if someone breaks into your car...

Had that happen to me twice now (in the same frigging spot!). SFPD didn't care when I reported it...

If someone breaks into your home or car (or other property...), you aren't liable for their actions... yet.... unless they hurt themselves, apparently.
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Bill - you should sell a t-shirt with that on cafepress.
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Lol, I'd buy one!
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