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Old 05-13-2017, 4:14 PM
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Folks,

I sold away my Mossberg 590A1 USSM with the 20 inch barrel at the beginning of this year without even firing it as I needed the money. I didn't even had a feel for the " fun " factor of owning such a beast.

Got a small tax refund recently and I would like to get another 12 gauge pump for home defense and range use.

I'd like to try a Remington 870 this time. I prefer the 18 inch barrel. Kept reading some negative comments regarding ejector and extractor on the newer iterations.

Still, I'd like to get a Remington. So, if I can find a reasonably priced (below $400, I can't afford the Wingmaster) piece, which particular model would you recommend?? Good idea to preemptively replace the extractor?

Sorry for asking folks, I know more about 1911s than I do shotguns.

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I have two 870's, an express and a marine magnum, they are both outstanding with no problems at all.

I think the only required upgrade is for the follower since they come with a cheap and thin orange plastic one. Spring upgrade would be next important, I think the extractor is optional.
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Old 05-13-2017, 4:32 PM
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Been using four 870's for quite some time: 870 Marine Magnum, 870 Marine Police, a much older 870 Police that actually says "Wingmaster" on the receiver, and a ten year old 870 Express. All have had many, many rounds, no problems; on three I changed out the magazine tube springs after some time, and aside from extras like tritium sights, sidesaddle carriers, lights, etc., have never had any extractor issues. Run it hard, clean it yearly.
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Old 05-13-2017, 4:35 PM
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I would get a 28" 870 around $300-350 and then buy the additional 18" barrel, you'll have a multi purpose at that point.
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Hey guys, thank you for the QUICK response! Its good to hear from those who actually own the brand.
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My suggestion is to buy a used Remington 870 Police Magnum on gunbroker.com They sell for $250-$300. Small investment, great gun, reliable, and if you do an internet search on Police Magnums, you will learn that they go through additional workmanship to insure they are reliable. Most police shotguns are not fired very much, they get most of their wear riding in a vehicle.
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I really love the 870s and have a number of them. I doubt the parts in the express model will give you any problems but if i makes you feel better, you can easily find the extractor and springs that the police models use. Those arent very expensive. The mag tube follower is a nice upgrade as well.

A plain jane 870 with a mag tube extention and an 18" barrel is a great home defense weapon.

If you are considering loading your potential 12ga defense gun with a managed recoil round, it would also be worth examining the pros and cons of going with a 20ga instead of the 12ga.
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I would get a used 28" 870 Wingmaster for around $300-350 and then buy the additional 18" barrel, you'll have a multi purpose at that point.
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I wouldn't worry too much about any extractor/ejector issue. I have several 870s and I've not had any problems. As far as me recommending a model, I say just buy what you like and consider buying one used. Typically, they're not shot much and would be well-within your price point. FWIW, there are currently a few in the marketplace that you may like.
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Of course your original Mossy 590A1 comes in an 18 inch barrel also.. Mine does... Did you not like the aluminum receiver? Nice heavy barrel
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I'd get a used wingmaster/police or cheapest new express version and shoot the crap out of it.

The extractor/ejector being weak thing is an overblown forum phenomena. The newer express models do have some roughness/break in issues. Have experience with 7 older 870's mostly in wingmaster, a police, and an express, no issues. Also one new express and had to run 100-150ish rounds to get it to run reliably. It had some intermittent issues that did work out.

For the record I've had similar experience with 1 old 500 and 1 new 500. The cheap 870's and 500's are still good designs but pumped out a little faster to keep the price down. Now it's on the owner to make sure their cheapie is reliable from the get-go. Or get an oldie.....

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Starting Monday May 15 through July 30th there is a $60 rebate on the Express Tactical Models.
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Parts are easily upgraded on 870s.
I bought a used one preparing to upgrade it, after taking it home I found it had a better lifter and bolt already.
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Of course your original Mossy 590A1 comes in an 18 inch barrel also.. Mine does... Did you not like the aluminum receiver? Nice heavy barrel
The USSM model which I used to own, has 20 inch thick wall, heavy barrel. Somehow, I was not too thrilled with the aluminum receiver. The piece was also very clunky. I happen to handle the Remington 870, and.....I liked it.
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Old 05-15-2017, 11:24 AM
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Starting Monday May 15 through July 30th there is a $60 rebate on the Express Tactical Models.
That's good to know, thanks a lot for the info.
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Old 05-15-2017, 5:31 PM
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Sure thing. With that rebate you can get a new gun for a little more then some used one. Don't believe all the inter-net mess about the used one being built better. The 870 has not changed much in 60 years. I know more about this gun then most and I would take the 870 Express to any gun fight as there is only one 870 and they differ by finish and furniture. All the exact same parts are in every 870 except a couple small one that are there for mostly Marketing purposes. I have been working on these guns for 37 years and I am giving you the facts not the hype. Take advantage of the rebate and get the 870 as it will last you a life time.

Here are some of the myth from your forum friends.

I'm not buying an Express because I don't want MIM parts in my gun. That one is my favorite because that uninformed person should know that there are MIM parts in every 870, every one of them. The Wingmaster, the Police and all the others.

Here is one I read on the Glock talk Shotgun Forum. " I would never buy and Express because I don't want Plastic on my Gun". Yep, on the Glock Talk forum. The only polymer part on an Express is the Trigger plate housing and it is Superior to cast aluminum in many ways and I have the polymer assemblies on all my Remington Shotguns except my 11-87P because I don't use it for defense and seldom shoot it. But it was fun reading that one.
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The only upgrade I did to my 870 Police Magnum was add a side saddle. Try to find a used Police Magnum and you won't have to worry about the ejector/extractor.
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Okay gang, I am seeing the long barreled shotguns are cheaper, much cheaper than the 18 inch ones.

If I get the cheaper long barrel, its just a matter of disassembling the shotgun and putting in (sliding in) a shorter 18 inch barrel to make it " more combat worthy ", right?? Should be that easy, right?
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If you buy a long one the bracket on the barrel should line up with all aftermarket barrels.
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Here's used 870P's for $265. I've done business with this guy a few times, he's easy to work with.

http://summitgunbroker.com/rem--870p.html
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The long barreled models are not eligible for the rebate. You do the math and go for the option that suits you best.
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The long barreled models are not eligible for the rebate. ......
Got it, the " long barreled models are NOT eligible for the rebate ".

I browsed Budsguns. Two models seems good candidates for me. The model " #81197 " for $348.00 and model " #25077 " for $330.00.

Both have 18 inch barrel and 6 + 1 round capacity, and I think bead front sight.

Your feedback on Post #16 above, is much appreciated, thank you.
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- 870 Wingmaster 12 GA. 2-3/4"
- blued Mossberg 870 18.5" CYL bore barrel
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If you have the money I would just go to aippi's website and buy one from him. Then you know you are getting a straight-up fightin' weapon that's built to last from someone who's legit and knows what they are doing. Buy once cry once.
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I just came across the sales ad from Turner's. Quite a few options for an 870.
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I bought a used one locally, did a few things internally, and cut the 28" barrel down to 18.5. I got a lot of satisfaction out of the "project" and have an 870 I trust my life to. I also have much less into it than a new one.

Another option: Buy the longer barrel, get the rebate to use for a mag extension, follower, and spring, then cut the barrel??
Or as stated, buy from Aippi??
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With aipipi's recommendation I polished the bore on my 870 express. Not hard to do. You just need a wooden dowel, some 00 steel wool, and a power drill.

You only do this on non-rifled barrels. Even then, only if you have issues with extracting shells.
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Here are a few models from Bass Pro, as an example. $60 rebate good for all 3.

Black plastic stock with 18.5" barrels. Two models to choose from (5-round & 6+1). Notice the difference in the length of the magazine tubes. The 6+1 model ($409) has a longer tube and the barrels are not interchangeable (DEDICATED HD GUN). I own one of these and as a dedicated HD gun, it's fantastic! The 5-round model ($379) has the standard magazine tube. With this model, barrels are easily interchangeable, and you can also add a magazine extension if wanted.
http://www.basspro.com/Remington-Mod...duct/10218080/

Wood stock. ($409) A 6+1 model (with a factory magazine extension) and 18.5" barrel. Barrels are easily interchangeable.
http://www.basspro.com/Remington-Mod...roduct/182706/




Same guns with 28" barrels and NO rebate ($329). Barrels are easily interchangeable and magazine extensions can be added.

Wood stock
http://www.basspro.com/Remington-Mod...duct/10217887/

Plastic stock
http://www.basspro.com/Remington-Mod...duct/10217893/


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Keeping it below $400 and factoring in state sales tax & DROS. I'd look at either of the three 5-round models. Wood or plastic with 28" barrel or plastic with 18.5" barrel. Then, buy the "other barrel" later. Barrels are changed by opening the action, removing the magazine cap, and sliding the barrels off/on. If you buy one with a 28" barrel, you could use it to shoot clay games and really get used to the gun, until you get the 18.5" barrel.
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With aipipi's recommendation I polished the bore on my 870 express. Not hard to do. You just need a wooden dowel, some 00 steel wool, and a power drill.

You only do this on non-rifled barrels. Even then, only if you have issues with extracting shells.
I think, I will do that, when I have my piece, thanks.
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Folks, the more I look at the pictures, the more I like the wood stock ones. Wish I could find one close enough to where I live so I can fondle before buying.

Thank you all.
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Wood stocks have character and feel good in the hand. Plastic is........plastic. But the plastic stocks are more durable & tacti-cool. Go shoulder a few. You should be able to find a place with a couple 870's.
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Remington 870 Express Wood 12ga 28-inch / 18.5-inch 5rd 3-inch chamber Combo - $411.15




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Wood stocks have character and feel good in the hand. Plastic is........plastic. But the plastic stocks are more durable & tacti-cool. Go shoulder a few. You should be able to find a place with a couple 870's.
For an SD long gun, never rule out the "butt-stroke".

Definitely wood.




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If you have the money I would just go to aippi's website and buy one from him. Then you know you are getting a straight-up fightin' weapon that's built to last from someone who's legit and knows what they are doing. Buy once cry once.
I honestly wish....I had the money. But $400 or less is what this poor chap can afford.
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I was in my local Sportsman's Warehouse earlier today and noticed that they have a wood (dark) stocked Remington 870 Field & Home combo (28" & 18.5") on special for $349.99.
http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/s...2384/cat100004
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I was in my local Sportsman's Warehouse earlier today and noticed that they have a wood (dark) stocked Remington 870 Field & Home combo (28" & 18.5") on special for $349.99.
http://www.sportsmanswarehouse.com/s...2384/cat100004
Hey, thanks buddy! I think I would be able to go there tomorrow.
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For an SD long gun, never rule out the "butt-stroke".

Definitely wood.




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Hey gang,

Just a quick question, do I need a Remington 870 with a " Rem-Choke Mod ", or whatever the hell that means, for HD?

When I called an LGS to ask for a Remington 870, his response was " I have the 28 inch with the " Rem-Choke Mod ". He then asked, " Is that what you like? ". Not wanting to sound like a newbie, I said " Yes ".

When I bought my Mossberg 590A1 sometime ago, I didn't read anything like that. It has a 20 inch " thick, heavy wall barrel ", and that's that. Pretty simple for me to undertand.

As I said before, I know my way around the 1911s, but this shotgun linggo is getting me all worked up. Don't want to go into a gunstore and get hit by words that I don't actually know, I have to act savvy, you know Got to be able to square my shoulder, answer with certainty like I know what I am doing.

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For HD, the 18" barrels do not have a removable choke. It's a fixed choke and think it's improved cylinder. Carlson's makes a Remington 870 barrel that uses removable (screw in) chokes.

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http://www.choketube.com/customer-se...-Information-3

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