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Old 07-06-2012, 1:41 PM
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Default The Origin Shotgun = illegal in Cali right?

would it be legal with a bullet button?

http://www.alliancearmament.com/orig...geshotgun.aspx
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Old 07-06-2012, 1:46 PM
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Bullet button and pinned stock would be g2g
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Old 07-06-2012, 1:47 PM
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$1800 and up... ouch.
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Old 07-06-2012, 1:48 PM
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Ya but good luck finding a BB for it. I watched a vid of it online and it doesn't look like any mag release that a BB is made for.
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Old 07-06-2012, 1:50 PM
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Bullet button and pinned stock would be g2g
This ^^^

The gun is almost 11lb, but they claim it is "lightweight"?????!!!??! What are they smoking?
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Old 07-06-2012, 3:12 PM
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This ^^^

The gun is almost 11lb, but they claim it is "lightweight"?????!!!??! What are they smoking?
My Mossberg 590 weighs in at ALMOST that much with a forend light.

Actually, I think that you could buy TWO 590s and TWO Surefire forends for less than the price of that origin-and you wouldn't need a BB!
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Old 07-06-2012, 3:56 PM
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The gun is almost 11lb, but they claim it is "lightweight"?????!!!??! What are they smoking?
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Old 07-06-2012, 5:48 PM
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$1800 and up... ouch.
US made.

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Old 07-06-2012, 7:52 PM
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Old 07-06-2012, 8:16 PM
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That's just a new version of the USAS-12. It & clip fed shotguns like the Siaga will be reclassified by ATF at some point as Destructive Devices.
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Old 07-06-2012, 10:30 PM
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It looks like a saiga 12 covered in legos. Just buy a S12, and a box of legos and save yourself $1000.
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Old 07-07-2012, 2:27 AM
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That's just a new version of the USAS-12. It & clip fed shotguns like the Siaga will be reclassified by ATF at some point as Destructive Devices.
unlikely. saiga was under threat by import restrictions. the whole thing was killed.
BTW, that's magazine fed.
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Old 07-07-2012, 2:34 AM
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US made.

Maintaining our national manufacturing base doesn't come free.
everyone knows it's the smart thing to do to buy a Norinco 870 copy for 50 bucks cheaper and buy 400 bucks worth of tacti-cool stuff for it while waving the American flag.
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Old 07-07-2012, 4:41 AM
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That's just a new version of the USAS-12.
Acutally, the Alliance Armament Orgin-12 is a semi-auto only copy of the Izhmash Saiga-12.

The newest version of the USAS-12, is the MPS Inc AA-12.

Timeline:
1972-1986 = Atchisson Assault-12
1988-Present = Daewoo USAS-12 (second generation Atchisson Assault-12)
1989-1990 = Gilbert Equipment Co (Daewoo) USAS-12 (semi-auto only version imported to USA)
1990-2002 = Ramo Defense System USAS-12 (made from Daewoo parts kits & Fed 922r compliance parts)
2005-Present = MPS Inc AA-12 (third generation Atchisson Assault-12)

How they are classified by BATFE:
Atchisson Assault-12 = pre-'86 MG
Daewoo USAS-12 = post-'86 MG
Gilbert Equipment Co (Daewoo) USAS-12 = DD
Ramo Defense System USAS-12 = (select-fire version) post-'86 MG / (semi-auto only version) Title 1 shotgun
MPS Inc AA-12 = post-'86 MG
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Old 07-07-2012, 8:10 AM
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Does he also need the 18 inch barrel? I know it is different for rifles and shotguns, but is it defined by the round it fires, or the pattern of the gun?
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Old 07-07-2012, 9:37 AM
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Does he also need the 18 inch barrel? I know it is different for rifles and shotguns, but is it defined by the round it fires, or the pattern of the gun?
18" or greater length barrel, if it is not being transferred as a Title 2 firearm.

Alliance Armament sells three variants of the Origin-12.
Title 1 shotgun = 18.5" barrel
Title 2 SBS = 10.5" barrel
Title 2 AOW = 10.5" barrel
The Title 2 firearms require BATFE approval.
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Old 07-07-2012, 3:08 PM
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Hmmmmm. Very nice. The mag release is sweet, but also problematic for CA since it seems the shooter just flicks his trigger finger forward to hit the paddle to drop the magazine. Would require a LOT of effort to redesign or modify to make it CA "bullet tip or other tool" friendly.

And at $1800, it's not TOO terribly far off from the prices for Saiga-12s that have been de-neutered with comparable accessories (rails, AR buffer tube friendly rear trunnion, no-rock magazine well adapter, et cetera).
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2005-Present = MPS Inc AA-12 (third generation Atchisson Assault-12)

How they are classified by BATFE:

MPS Inc AA-12 = post-'86 MG
Wishful thinking, but if MPS management decided the market was there for a semi-auto only version of the current AA-12, would it be classified as a Title 1 shotgun, or a DD?
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And at $1800, it's not TOO terribly far off from the prices for Saiga-12s that have been de-neutered with comparable accessories (rails, AR buffer tube friendly rear trunnion, no-rock magazine well adapter, et cetera).
$1,800 is not unadjacent to the MSRP of a Benelli M4.

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Wishful thinking, but if MPS management decided the market was there for a semi-auto only version of the current AA-12, would it be classified as a Title 1 shotgun, or a DD?
Earlier incarnations were DDs because they were imported. If MPS is making this in the US, then there would be no obligation or authority for the ATF to rule on its status, unless it was an NFA device (barrel less than 18", etc).
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Wishful thinking, but if MPS management decided the market was there for a semi-auto only version of the current AA-12, would it be classified as a Title 1 shotgun, or a DD?
Title 1 shotgun
However, MPS Inc is on record stating they will never manufacture for the civilian market.
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Bump an old thread, anyone seen these made ca compliant?

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Bump an old thread, anyone seen these made ca compliant?

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Yes and you can get one set up accordingly from the manufacturer or buy the parts required to make it compliant yourself. They sell a modified magazine release that is no longer actionable without a tool and it is a simple install for the MM FFL. The rest is easy, fixed and pinned stock etc.
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