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Old 10-05-2006, 5:51 AM
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Updated Tue. Oct. 3 2006 11:23 PM ET

Bridget Brown, Special to CTV.ca

Monday's shooting makes six school shootings in the past six weeks in North America, but an expert says it's no tragic coincidence.

Loren Coleman, behavioral expert and author of Copycat Effect, predicted a continued cluster of school shootings after the Dawson College shooting on September 13.

In a September 18 email to CTV, Coleman said, "I predict that this week or next, there may be another major 'going postal' workplace rampage or school shooting."

While Coleman's email may now seem eerily prophetic, he told CTV.ca his prediction two weeks ago was simply the result of observing patterns among widely-publicized events.

According to Coleman, the first shooting in the current cluster happened August 26, 2006 in Essex, Vermont. Christopher Williams, 27, went into a school looking for his ex-girlfriend, a teacher. He never found her, but killed another teacher, and wounded one more. He ultimately shot himself twice in the head.

The next cluster killing happened in Hillsborough, North Carolina, six days later. A 19-year-old man was arrested after the shooting death of his father. Eight shots were also fired in Hillsborough's Orange High School. Two students were wounded.

Dawson Raised Red Flag

On September 13, a third shooting occurred when 25-year-old Kimveer Gill stormed Montreal's Dawson College, and sprayed students with bullets, killing 18-year-old Anastassia De Sousa before turning the gun on himself.

Coleman immediately began pointing out similarities between that high-profile shooting and the previous two.

According to Coleman, the size and time of the cluster can depend on the amount of media coverage. The Dawson College shooting received a tremendous amount of attention. When he sees an event like that, he immediately considers the possibility of more, as he indicated to CTV.

His predictions came to life, two weeks later.

On September 27, 53-year-old drifter Duane Morrison entered a Bailey, Colorado high school. He took six female students hostage, and sexually assaulted them before killing 16-year-old Emily Keyes and killing himself.

Two days later, in Cazenovia, Wisconsin, a school principal was shot and killed. A ninth grader has been charged with that murder.

Then, three days later came the shooting in Amish country, the deadliest of the cluster with five dead. Coleman says violent offenders, intent on shocking the public, sometimes "compete for the highest body count."

Why Schools?

"Disturbed individuals choose schools because that's the pattern put in front of them, either by reading about it or hearing about it," says Coleman, "it's a location of opportunity. [Charles Carl Roberts] lived a mile away, he delivered milk there. It had nothing to do with any hatred of the Amish."

Coleman says most people who encounter adversity will turn to friends, or look for someone to talk to, like a minister. But because school shooters don't have an outlet for their problems, they mimic a school shooting they see on television as an outlet for their self-hatred. And the similarities between the perpetrators are significant.

"One hundred percent of these people are suicidal. One hundred percent of these people are male. Most of them are Caucasian. They're outsiders. They almost always target the same group, authority figures and girls. If you pull suicide so far inward, it turns to homicide."

Coleman says school shootings occurred as early as the 1970s, but the last significant cluster involved the now historic Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, followed by a school shooting in Taber, Alberta, only a week later.

Coleman hopes we've seen the last school shooting, but says it would not surprise him to see more this fall. He says that while the Pennsylvania shootings may not be the last in this cluster, the copycat crimes will likely slow down as we near winter. He says spring, and the anniversary of Columbine, could be enough to spark another cycle of tragedy.
So if the media wouldn't breathlessly report 24/7 on the latest school shooting, there would probably be less school shootings. Sorta like fire season where every news report goes on and on about how dangerous the fire conditions are which only encourages firebugs.
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Old 10-05-2006, 8:55 AM
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Nah, the Media just reports, factually and without fearmongering or exaggeration, the news.
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Nah, the Media just reports, factually and without fearmongering or exaggeration, the news.
Now that is funny, you must have one hell of a poker face.
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Old 04-21-2007, 6:41 AM
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bump for importance and more links...

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Again and again you hear of some massive school shooting, or workplace rampage, or type of suicide; which is followed within days or weeks by more of the same- same type of person, same type of place, same type of event. The media, as one, repeats the same stock vapid phrases even as it sensationalizes the event: “he’d been having trouble at home”, “co-workers said he was strange”, “they didn’t understand what could have set him off”. Unspoken, of course, is the fact that he was simply copying some previous horror… and the media culpability in mindless promotion of all of them. If It Bleeds It Leads, says Coleman. “Death and the fear of death are the dominant forces behind the news.” Don’t believe it?

Loren Coleman's blog:

http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/
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The copycat effect is what happens when the media makes an event into a "hot death story" and then via behavior contagion, more deaths, suicides, murders, and more occur in a regularly predictive cycle, as per the book The Copycat Effect (Paraview Pocket - Simon and Schuster).
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Bump due to new spat of high profile, media hyped shootings...
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6 Shot After Leaving Vegas School Bus
By RYAN NAKASHIMA and KATHLEEN HENNESSEY
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LAS VEGAS - Assailants shot six young people Tuesday at a school bus stop, wounding two critically, in a midday attack that followed a fight over a girl, authorities said.

School police arrested three teenagers in the fight that happened hours before the shooting, Sheriff Doug Gillespie said. Investigators were still seeking two gunmen, who were believed to have fled on foot from the scene of the shooting, a working class neighborhood of northeast Las Vegas.

An 18-year-old man was in critical condition and a 17-year-old boy was upgraded to serious condition, both with gunshots to the torso, said Cheryl Persinger, a University Medical Center spokeswoman.

Four people, including at least two boys and a girl who are under 18, were treated for gunshot injuries to their arms and legs and released, she said. All four are students at Mojave High School, Gillespie said.

Authorities would not release any other information about the two victims who were still hospitalized late Tuesday, including whether they were students. All six had just stepped off the bus, which was coming from the high school, authorities said.

Investigators initially looked into the possibility of gang involvement, but Gillespie said it appeared the shootings were the second stage of a confrontation over a girl.

Gillespie called the bus stop shooting "a carryover from what took place. This is not a random act."

Those arrested after the school fight are about 16, Clark County School District police Lt. Ken Young said. Mojave had some 2,300 students last year, about evenly divided among blacks, whites and Hispanics, according to district materials.

The shooting occurred just before 2 p.m., a couple of blocks from two elementary schools. Both were locked down temporarily but reopened in about an hour, district spokesman Michael Rodriguez said.

Investigators said they found 9 mm and .45-caliber shell casings at the scene.

Archie Gorai, 22, who lives about a block from the site of the shooting, said he heard about eight gunshots while he was wrapping Christmas presents at his home.

"I told my wife it was gunshots. She thought it was firecrackers," Gorai said.
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These events draw all the crazys out every decade. The DC case has gotten the media aim back on firearms.
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Bump for yet another rash of media fueled copycat effects...

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I began writing a blog this morning about "school shootings", and was adding more as this just came in...

This Thursday afternoon, CNN is reporting that at least 15 people have been shot and several injured at Northern Illinois University outside Chicago.

The gunman who opened fire in a lecture hall is dead according to DeKalb police, the Chicago Sun-Times is reporting.

The lecture hall is Cole Hall, reports say. The shooting occured shortly after 3 p.m. ET. The shooter was carrying a shotgun and a pistol.

The University has ordered its student body to seek shelter and canceled classes on this Valentine's Day, 2008.

"Its has been confirmed that there has been a shooting on campus and several people have been taken away by ambulance," the school said in a posting on its DeKalb campus Web site. "All classes are canceled on the DeKalb campus. People are urged not to come to campus."

DeKalb is 65 miles west of downtown Chicago and 45 minutes southeast of Rockford.

I was just preparing a new blog saying I expected some more shootings due to the increased media drumbeat because of the mislabeling of the killings at educational settings in Memphis and Oxnard, California, last week as "school shootings."

It seemed the media is getting bored. Slowing election news and eighteen debates mean that "school shootings" are going to be used to break the boredom. This is a reality, even if last week's "school shootings" were incorrectly labeled as such.

Recent events have been building to this, kicked off by the Louisiana Tech killings at the end of a horrible week of violence (see past blogs here).

At the end of last week, news quickly spread of two "school shootings."

But wait.

"Classic school shootings" are of a suicidal individual invading a school and randomly shooting people, even if he seems to be targeting specific groups (e.g. athletes, girls, teachers, school officials). The ones last week were different.

Two separate cases of individual boys going into two separate schools, after conflicts with one specific individual each, and shooting one chosen victim in each site. In neither case did the two shooters act suicidal, but only revengeful. They both surrendered immediately after they shoot their single target. Nevertheless, both were reported graphically by the media as "school shootings." But they did not really deserve that description, although they technically were attempted murders in schools.

Today, this Valentine's Day morning, the wire services told that the young man who has been shot in Oxnard had died.

Now this Northern Illinois University shooting occurs, and the typical suicidal pattern appears to be repeating itself with this event. It copies the Louisiana Technical College shooting, in many ways.

{See an update that follows.}
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I like the term "Media Hyped Shootings"
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This is known to be true for suicides. Here's a report from the CDC about "suicide contagion":

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One risk factor that has emerged from this research is suicide "contagion," a process by which exposure to the suicide or suicidal behavior of one or more persons influences others to commit or attempt suicide (5). Evidence suggests that the effect of contagion is not confined to suicides occurring in discrete geographic areas. In particular, nonfictional newspaper and television coverage of suicide has been associated with a statistically significant excess of suicides (6). The effect of contagion appears to be strongest among adolescents (7,8), and several well publicized "clusters" among young persons have occurred (9-11).
Gee, you think the same principles might apply in school shootings? Maybe the media should ask themselves about the ethics of their obsessive front-page national-coverage of these incidents? Well, let's see what else the CDC says about suicide contagion:

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* Engaging in repetitive, ongoing, or excessive reporting of suicide in the news.
* Providing sensational coverage of suicide.
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The people who do these shootings are all in the adolescent age group that's also vulnerable to suicide contagion. These shootings are almost inevitably suicidal (the perpetrator plans to, and does, kill himself or has a very high expectation of being killed). Gee, maybe the media has some responsibility for these deaths?
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does this mean we should ban assault papers?
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What ever happened to "responsible reporting".
Oh I forgot if it isn't sensationalized it won’t sell newspapers.
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This is known to be true for suicides.
Gee, you think the same principles might apply in school shootings? Maybe the media should ask themselves about the ethics of their obsessive front-page national-coverage of these incidents?
This is absolutely true. Newspapers won't print articles about suicides (I confirmed this with my wife who is an editor) for the exact reasons the CDC mentions.

I'm kinda torn on the idea of withholding information such as crazy-badguy-shooting rampages from the public. Yes, I believe if you didn't publish them you would most likely see a significant decline in copycat shootings. On the other hand people need to be informed of what's going on in their communities. You will never get a cohesive community willing to do what it takes to protect themselves and their town if they don't know what's going on.
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This is absolutely true. Newspapers won't print articles about suicides (I confirmed this with my wife who is an editor) for the exact reasons the CDC mentions.

I'm kinda torn on the idea of withholding information such as crazy-badguy-shooting rampages from the public. Yes, I believe if you didn't publish them you would most likely see a significant decline in copycat shootings. On the other hand people need to be informed of what's going on in their communities. You will never get a cohesive community willing to do what it takes to protect themselves and their town if they don't know what's going on.
Mass shootings should be reported in the local in which they occured, and perhaps as a small blurp on page A-12 in national papers. I don't think they should be the lead headline on all networks, all day, for days at a time.
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The problem stems from overwhelming sensationalism, and hype. Non-stop coverage all the time. As if there were no other murders in the United States.
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I'm kinda torn on the idea of withholding information such as crazy-badguy-shooting rampages from the public. Yes, I believe if you didn't publish them you would most likely see a significant decline in copycat shootings. On the other hand people need to be informed of what's going on in their communities. You will never get a cohesive community willing to do what it takes to protect themselves and their town if they don't know what's going on.
The CDC article I linked to has guidelines for how to report this stuff. Obsessive front-page national coverage which runs it as the leading story with lots of details and sensationalism for 4 days is exactly the wrong way to report it, and that's exactly how our media does cover it. The news shouldn't be withheld but it can be covered in a way that will be less likely to promote copycats. That means less focus on the killer, less details about how he did it, not analyzing his motives or goals, not on the front page, not repeated coverage, little or no national coverage.

This should all be part of news ethics, just like they have ethics that restrict if and how they report suicides.
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This doesn't make any sense!!! How are people getting shot in "gun free" zones??? The law instantly protects you when you are in a gun free school zone
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IMO the sensationalism of capitalist (because bad news sells) news media contributes to the shootings. Why talk about the criminal who did the violence at all? He wants to be immortalized and the media does that for the kooks.

Secondly part blame rests with the degree of violence portrayed in the movies and video games. A long time ago, I quit playing the game Doom because I realized I was a total agro jerk driving my car after playing it. Now many say they can take the violence and it doesn't affect them...I don't buy that. The crazies can't make the distinction between reality and fantasy.

Lastly, it appears we are entering another wild west cycle here in the US. That calls for dedicated or volunteer response teams on our campuses as well as shall issue CCW sounds like a good way to provide that rapidly. No one can combat the evil of these violent crooks faster that someone who is there and CCW-ing.
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