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Old 07-09-2011, 9:14 PM
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Yeah and I think that the FFL is the one who is responsible for forwarding this info to law enforcement. If I am correct this would be EXTREMELY difficult and EXPENSIVE to implement and maintain.
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Can someone seriously show me evidence where handgun registration helped law enforcement solve a crime?
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Can someone seriously show me evidence where handgun registration helped law enforcement solve a crime?
Ugh...it happens ALL THE TIME!!!

Don't you watch CSI?
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Good question!! lol!
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LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 07/11/2011
LAST HIST. ACTION : In committee: Placed on APPR. suspense file.

Does this mean it is effectively dead?

What is the deadline for the Senate to pass this?
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The good news: this costs a lot of money. And last time I checked we were broke, DOJ BoF is understaffed, and we have a very cheap-arsed governor.
Perhaps they are planning on it being funded by the surplus in dros fees.
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LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 07/11/2011
LAST HIST. ACTION : In committee: Placed on APPR. suspense file.

Does this mean it is effectively dead?

What is the deadline for the Senate to pass this?
http://senate.ca.gov/sites/senate.ca...lendar2011.pdf

Legislature returns from recess on Aug 15.

Last day to report a bill out of fiscal committees (as Appropriations is), to the floor, is Aug 26. Last day to pass any bill is September 9. (Remember the stop-the-clock trick - if desired, September 9 can last a long time!)

Bills can come off the suspense file pretty much any time; a bill isn't reliably dead until the end of the second year of a 2-year session.
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However, politically, the Department of Finance is closely associated with Governor Brown. Their opposition means that Mr. Brown has given this the thumbs down. Score another one for supposedly anti-gun Jerry Brown!

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While it's good to know that Jerry may not like AB809, it won't hurt to call the members of the senate appropriations committee. They have set the hearing date for 8/25, that's this thursday.

Bob Blumenfield Dem-40 (916) 319-2040 Assemblymember.Blumenfield@assembly.ca.gov
Steven Bradford Dem-51 (916) 319-2051 Assemblymember.Bradford@assembly.ca.gov
Charles M. Calderon Dem-58 (916) 319-2058 Assemblymember.Calderon@assembly.ca.gov
Nora Campos Dem-23 (916) 319-2023 Assemblymember.Campos@assembly.ca.gov
Mike Davis Dem-48 (916) 319-2048 Assemblymember.Davis@assembly.ca.gov
Tim Donnelly Rep-59 (916) 319-2059 Assemblymember.Donnelly@assembly.ca.gov
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Isadore Hall III Dem-52 (916) 319-2052 Assemblymember.Hall@assembly.ca.gov
Jerry Hill Dem-19 (916) 319-2019 Assemblymember.Hill@assembly.ca.gov
Ricardo Lara Dem-50 (916) 319-2050 Assemblymember.Lara@assembly.ca.gov
Holly J. Mitchell Dem-47 (916) 319-2047 Assemblymember.Mitchell@assembly.ca.gov
Jim Nielsen Rep-2 (916) 319-2002 Assemblymember.Nielsen@assembly.ca.gov
Chris Norby Rep-72 (916) 319-2072 Assemblymember.Norby@assembly.ca.gov
Jose Solorio Dem-69 (916) 319-2069 Assemblymember.Solorio@assembly.ca.gov
Donald P. Wagner Rep-70 (916) 319-2070 Assemblymember.Wagner@assembly.ca.gov

to find your rep (on top of calling the appropriations committee):

http://192.234.213.69/amapsearch/framepage.asp
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Got a tweet from the CRPA yesterday that this had failed by one vote yesterday morning but that they were going to bring it up again in the afternoon. I just checked the CRPA and they don't list anything else.

Has anyone heard anything?
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It's being prepared for Jerry's desk.


CURRENT BILL STATUS


MEASURE : A.B. No. 809
AUTHOR(S) : Feuer.
TOPIC : Firearms.
HOUSE LOCATION : ASM
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 08/30/2011


TYPE OF BILL :
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State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 09/08/2011
LAST HIST. ACTION : In Assembly. Concurrence in Senate amendments pending.
Senate amendments concurred in. To Engrossing and
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It's being prepared for Jerry's desk.


CURRENT BILL STATUS


MEASURE : A.B. No. 809
AUTHOR(S) : Feuer.
TOPIC : Firearms.
HOUSE LOCATION : ASM
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 08/30/2011


TYPE OF BILL :
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State-Mandated Local Program
Fiscal
Non-Tax Levy

LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 09/08/2011
LAST HIST. ACTION : In Assembly. Concurrence in Senate amendments pending.
Senate amendments concurred in. To Engrossing and
Enrolling.
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That sucks.
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I don't know how this is going to pan out. Christ my old
rifles have sat in the safe for at least five years without
me pullin en out. I'd HATE to think I'd have to reg old guns
that have done nothing but sit there because some two
bit legislature member has decided they're a threat to
society. I don't get it..

But I DO KNOW THIS..Dems are a danger not only to me
2nd rights, but my paycheck as well. They simply suck.

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the long gun DROS requirements are not retroactive.
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I don't know how this is going to pan out. Christ my old
rifles have sat in the safe for at least five years without
me pullin en out. I'd HATE to think I'd have to reg old guns
that have doing nothing but sit there because some two
bit legislature member has decided they're a threat to
society. I don't get it..

But I DO KNOW THIS..Dems are a danger not only to me
2nd rights, but my paycheck as well. They simply suck.
The bill is stupid, but not that stupid. The registration happens only on transfers and for people moving into the state.
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I read AB 809 all 60+ pages in legalese. I may have missed it, but does it require registration of rifles/shotguns (firearms as stated in the bill) purchased prior to the enactment and enforcement of the bill Jan 1, 2014?

My impression was that it would apply to newly purchased/transferred firearms only. After that, once a "book" of DROS was filled it would then become permanent record for a period of 5 years and then destroyed. So while not at all good for gun owners, the "long gun registry" is in the end temporary still?

What a waste of time, money, and an invasion of privacy! I guess watch out for the serious gun grab before the first five years of the law has passed.
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If there is a veto in JB's pen somewhere for the 2A crowd, I expect this one is the most likely candidate.

Fingers crossed but not counting on anyone...
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The bill is stupid, but not that stupid. The registration happens only on transfers and for people moving into the state.
I apologize. I've been so busy at work trying to keep my
job as a lousy school bus driver for the largest county dist
in the nation, I'm clueless. Thank you for the heads up
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I apologize. I've been so busy at work trying to keep my
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in the nation, I'm clueless. Thank you for the heads up
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No apology needed - in this economy, seems to me you have your priorities in order.
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I read AB 809 all 60+ pages in legalese. I may have missed it, but does it require registration of rifles/shotguns (firearms as stated in the bill) purchased prior to the enactment and enforcement of the bill Jan 1, 2014?
No requirement to register prior to that date.
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Man this sucks. It's like a traffic accident. On the one hand, I strongly resent this legislation, but part of me wants to see what happens to the price/availability of long guns in California between now and Jan 1, 2014. Just out of pure morbid curiosity

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So...when do we find out whether we should be fine with begrudgingly voting for Jerry or not? haha.

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During session, the governor must sign or veto legislation within 12 days of the day of transmittal, or it becomes law without signature.
Also, the governor has until September 30 to sign or veto legislation in his/her possession on the day legislature adjourns (usually August 31), or legislation becomes law without signature"

ETA2: Since the last day of session was today, he has until October 9th...

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So...when do we find out whether we should be fine with begrudgingly voting for Jerry or not? haha.

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During session, the governor must sign or veto legislation within 12 days of the day of transmittal, or it becomes law without signature.
Also, the governor has until September 30 to sign or veto legislation in his/her possession on the day legislature adjourns (usually August 31), or legislation becomes law without signature"

ETA2: Since the last day of session was today, he has until October 9th...
Yep.

The times are in the constitution - we're in 10(b) because we're in the first year of the 2011-2012 session.
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Yeah, it sucks that California doesn't have the "pocket veto" :[

Personally, I think it only makes sense.
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Bump!

AB 809 has passed and is going to the governor for signature.

Good time to contact governor and ask for VETO!
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This was sent to Jerry yesterday at 12:30pm. Make sure to let him know he should veto this.


CURRENT BILL STATUS


MEASURE : A.B. No. 809
AUTHOR(S) : Feuer.
TOPIC : Firearms.
+LAST AMENDED DATE : 08/30/2011


TYPE OF BILL :
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State-Mandated Local Program
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LAST HIST. ACT. DATE: 09/22/2011
LAST HIST. ACTION : Enrolled and presented to the Governor at 12:30 p.m.
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Every time I see one of these piece of crap proposed new laws, it makes we want to go buy another high powered something or another to calm me down.

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It made me purchase two. I think that some anti's are just shills for the industry. How else can we explain the fact that they drive so many sales?
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Contact the governor! This bill also makes it illegal for an 03 ffl to import curios and relics without a coe from the doj, and requires them to report a personal firearm import and pay a fee.

Stupidest bill in a long time.
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So now that this has passed, when does it kick in? I'm predicting a surge in long gun sales...

Edit: I just read in another thread "SB 809 will only take effect on January 1, 2014." Is this indeed true?

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So now that this has passed, when does it kick in? I'm predicting a surge in long gun sales...

Edit: I just read in another thread "SB 809 will only take effect on January 1, 2014." Is this indeed true?
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However, politically, the Department of Finance is closely associated with Governor Brown. Their opposition means that Mr. Brown has given this the thumbs down. Score another one for supposedly anti-gun Jerry Brown!

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I wished you were right about this one.

I hope the fight on this can be won in the courts. Any way possible that the handgun registration can be lumped in as unconstitutional?
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Sorry for ignorance..when is the effective date? Can I still buy long guns now before it goes into affect or is it already affective after signature??
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Sorry for ignorance..when is the effective date? Can I still buy long guns now before it goes into affect or is it already affective after signature??
January 1, 2014.

And you will still be able to buy long guns then.

Bill status has been changed to 'Chaptered' - that is, it's law.
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Just so I'm tracking....

When you purchase a handgun, all the information is included in the DROS and kept with the state (ATF?). When you purchase a 'long-gun' no serial # or type is listed with the state, and then the DROS paperwork is destroyed after 5 days (so basically, you long-gun doesn't exist).

With AB 809, it makes long-guns the same as hand guns, correct?
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Just so I'm tracking....

When you purchase a handgun, all the information is included in the DROS and kept with the state (ATF?). When you purchase a 'long-gun' no serial # or type is listed with the state, and then the DROS paperwork is destroyed after 5 days (so basically, you long-gun doesn't exist).

With AB 809, it makes long-guns the same as hand guns, correct?
Yes. After 1/1/2014 Long Gun serial numbers will also be sent with the DROS and then retained by CA DOJ in your AFS records - just like handguns.

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AB 809 passed. Read the text here: http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/11-12/...chaptered.html

The effective date is Jan 1, 2014.

NO, you will not have to register long guns you already own.

YES, the DROS process will be changed so long gun information - make, model, serial number (if any) will be collected, and sent to CA-DOJ, and that information will be kept available. PC 28160

YES, intrafamilial long gun transfers are affected - there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee when you transfer long guns among parent/child/grandchild. PC 27870

YES, if you move here in 2014 and later, you must report long guns within 60 days of bringing them into the state; there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee. PC 17000, 27560

YES, out of state C&R long gun purchases are affected; starting in 2014 a C&R licensee must report out of state long gun purchases. There will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee. PC 27565

YES, in-state C&R long gun purchases are affected;
(1) Starting in 2014, long guns 50 years old and older must be transferred through an FFL; the exemption that is in the law now, that allows FTF of these, is repealed in 2014. PC 27965
(2) Starting in 2014, a buyer who is a C&R licensee inside CA, with COE (Certificate of Eligibility), may buy guns without involving another FFL. The purchase must be reported; there will be new or modified forms, and you will have to send them in with a fee. PC 27966
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An interesting article about Canadian citizens fight against long gun registration.“We must stop targeting law-abiding gun owners, and instead focus our resources on real criminals,” http://news.nationalpost.com/2011/10...ome-this-week/
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Ok noticing that all these provisions seem to incurr some sort of "fee" this seems to be more a flaky attempt at revenue by CA than anything else.
This is right up ther with CA's outrageous vehicle registration fees and "mandatory" emmisions fees and i dont see to many folks lining up to gripe about those.
As for registering firearms imported from out of state if you move here, well guess that is just contingent on how punctual you about moving your firearms..lol.

There is a similar law in HI and when stationed there and law abiding citizen I am drove down to the police station and got more flack for doing it than anything alse. Doubt this provision will be taken very seriously by law enforcement. San Diego county already mandates registering with the sheriff when you move here and no one cam knocking on my door when I moved here.
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why give the state another tool to persecute an otherwise law abiding citizen
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