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Old 07-22-2016, 8:01 PM
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CDNN had them on sale for $159 so having had good results with another conversion (XD9 with Advantage Arms kit) I thought I'd give it a go.
I put in on my RIA Tactical, and it hand cycled the snap cap they sent in the kit so thought it was GTG. Ran to the range this AM, it would not feed rounds from the magazine, so I fed one round into the chamber closed the slide pulled the trigger and nothing happened! It didn't fire the chambered round!

Anybody else have this happen with the Sig kit?

To say the least I'm disappointed, besides the Advantage Arms XD kit which has been flawless I bought a Kimber 1911 22 lr conversion kit. Figured the Kimber had the "name" so should be a quality product. Tried the Kimber kit on the RIA. If the slide stop was installed the slide was frozen in place, so sent it back.
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Rock Island is a 70 series IIRC. Does the Sig top end have a firing pin safety?

edit: Just googled. Looks like it does

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You need to remove the firing pin block plunger . Ck out youtube they have a video on removing it. I also picked one up from cdnn. Put it on a foster/ caspian frame. Going to shoot it tomorrow. RICH
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Thanks guys I'll check out the video!!!!


Is this the video you are referring to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQu3XF2YRuk

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So I can see where removing those parts might fix the firing issue, but what about the NON feeding issue. Would those parts prevent feeding the rounds while still installed?
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So I can see where removing those parts might fix the firing issue, but what about the NON feeding issue. Would those parts prevent feeding the rounds while still installed?
A little more info on the non feeding issue would be helpful. Is it stripping the round off the magazine or does it miss the round entirely? Is the slide staying locked open? Is it stripping a round but not chambering because you have no feed ramp?

I'd almost bet feed ramp. Does the barrel of the .22 kit have a feed ramp? Because if it doesn't and your frame doesn't have one machined in you may be screwed.
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So I can see where removing those parts might fix the firing issue, but what about the NON feeding issue. Would those parts prevent feeding the rounds while still installed?
And to answer your question, no, those parts don't have anything to do with feeding. That is a separate issue.
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Thanks guys I'll check out the video!!!!


Is this the video you are referring to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQu3XF2YRuk
That video looks good to go. The only parts you need to do are in the slide. You don't need to do anything with your frame.
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A little more info on the non feeding issue would be helpful. Is it stripping the round off the magazine or does it miss the round entirely? Is the slide staying locked open? Is it stripping a round but not chambering because you have no feed ramp?

I'd almost bet feed ramp. Does the barrel of the .22 kit have a feed ramp? Because if it doesn't and your frame doesn't have one machined in you may be screwed.
The system looks like the magazine lines up behind the chamber, the feed ramp on the frame doesn't come into play. I'll see if I can get some photos.

Slide does not always stay locked open on an empty magazine.

Slide was not stripping the round into the chamber. It does strip and chamber the orange dummy round that came with the kit.

Don't really want to start messing with it until I get the feeding issue dealt with, the firing issue seems pretty straight forward though.

I might also try it on my Colt Model 1927, not about to use my Ithaca
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If it's a conversion kit made by Jonathan Ciener, you may indeed have "issues".
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Here are the photos not sure if they'll help. Going to call Sig Monday although their website says the wait time maybe long.
Did I mention I like the sights?











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If it's a conversion kit made by Jonathan Ciener, you may indeed have "issues".
Does Ciener make the Sig kits???
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Does Ciener make the Sig kits???
Ciener is his own company. He has a bad rep but nothing to do with your kit. Trying to figure out what is happening from your pics
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When the mag is out of the pistol the follower (orange part) comes all the way up. When it is in the pistol it doesn't appear to. Can you verify that and if so then any idea why?
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The follower, when the mag is in the gun, is held down a little because it is pushing up on the slide stop.
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When the mag is out of the pistol the follower (orange part) comes all the way up. When it is in the pistol it doesn't appear to. Can you verify that and if so then any idea why?
That orange thing is the dummy 22lr round that came with the kit. Sorry I should have mentioned that. I left that in so it would show how the round was supposed to line up behind the chamber.
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Ciener is his own company. He has a bad rep but nothing to do with your kit. Trying to figure out what is happening from your pics
That's what I thought.
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The follower, when the mag is in the gun, is held down a little because it is pushing up on the slide stop.
Possible Remedy???
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That orange thing is the dummy 22lr round that came with the kit. Sorry I should have mentioned that. I left that in so it would show how the round was supposed to line up behind the chamber.
I was wondering about the shape. Whichever the case it needs to come up lots more. This is way lower than the slide lock should hold it down (and it is a dummy round so slide lock isn't supposed to come in to play at all).
Take out the dummy round and push the follower down while in the gun through the slide with a pen or something similiar. See if it hangs up or moves freely.
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Yup.
I would take the mag apart, check the follower and mag body for burrs.
Make sure the spring is in the right way.
Be sure everything is clean with no dried-out blobs of grease or oil causing drag.


(I was just responding to the follower question, I should have looked at the pics more carefully and made the reply work for both.)
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Ok guys I'll see if I can do that tomorrow thanks!
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I was wondering about the shape. Whichever the case it needs to come up lots more. This is way lower than the slide lock should hold it down (and it is a dummy round so slide lock isn't supposed to come in to play at all).
Take out the dummy round and push the follower down while in the gun through the slide with a pen or something similiar. See if it hangs up or moves freely.

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Yup.
I would take the mag apart, check the follower and mag body for burrs.
Make sure the spring is in the right way.
Be sure everything is clean with no dried-out blobs of grease or oil causing drag.


(I was just responding to the follower question, I should have looked at the pics more carefully and made the reply work for both.)
Took mag out of frame, the follower goes all the way to the bottom of the mag without any hangups. Did the in frame test with same results. Took the mag apart mag is clean inside, spring is in correctly, and the follower moves freely.
Put the Sig mag next to one of my 1911 mags, the mag catch slot is a little lower in the Sig mag which "should" place it farther up inside the mag well right? Which should put it inline with the breech face.

Waiting to hear from ZRXRICH and how he did with his SIG conversion at the range yesterday.
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Well issue resolved CDNN has sent me a call tag to return kit for full refund.
Also called Sig, got right through!, and spoke to them, they'd like to know why it wouldn't feed also. We know why it wouldn't fire thanks to info posted here.

Thanks guys for all the help and things to checkout!
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Do update us when you hear back from Sig.
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If it's a conversion kit made by Jonathan Ciener, you may indeed have "issues".
30 years ago, they were supposedly the best 22LR conversion kits.



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I hopped on the same deal from CDNN (thx supernachos) and my kit will be here Wednesday. I searched YouTube for any reviews I could find... one of them was very insightful and had some fixes for cycling issues and mags not locking in place.



Might be of interest to you. Nice to hear you like the sights.
I will be posting a review also once I get some range time next weekend.

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I hopped on the same deal from CDNN (thx supernachos) and my kit will be here Wednesday. I searched YouTube for any reviews I could find... one of them was very insightful and had some fixes for cycling issues and mags not locking in place.



Night be of interest to you. Nice to hear you like the sights.
I will be posting a review also once I get some range time next weekend.

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Thanks for that video, I'll check it out in case I want to try it again as it is it's on the way back to CDNN now.
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Also heard a mention somewhere the kits are made by GSG for Sig, don't know if that's true though.
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30 years ago, they were supposedly the best 22LR conversion kits.
I have heard that Ciener .22 LR conversion top ends produced in the last decade or so have problems, as well as bad customer service from Ciener.

On the other hand, I have one I purchased new from Ciener in 1992 w/15 rd. mag (wish I had purchased 2 plus 2 more mags: I am in WA State, previously from Alaska, and know that 15-round mags are a no-no for you folks in CA unless it is possibly grandfathered [?]) and it runs flawlessly on my massaged AMT Hardballer and on the home-built 1911 that I put together using an Olympic Arms modified Matchmaster stripped (in the white) frame with Sarco, Numrich, Wolff, and Hogue parts; frame and MSH parked by Oly, in 2013. I used a 19 lb. Wolff mainspring (Colt 1911 .45 spring is ~23 lbs.) and a light Wolff 3-pronged sear spring. The hammer/sear interface was done at .020" (as opposed to a more target interface at .018") resulting in a 5# trigger pull. When doing the build I had to remove some material from the upper mag catch slot on the magazine in order to seat it correctly in the grip frame. It has a round-nosed firing pin and in no way contacts anything other than the rim of the cartridge case so it can be dry-fired with no worries.

With fixed sights it is no target pistol but it will put 15 shots in the 8-ring at 50 ft. from a rest. Not bad for a plinker.

I have no complaints about my Ciener unit.

Sorry to digress from the OP's post, but I just have to stand up for the older Ciener 1911 conversions.

I wish you good fortune in correcting your pistol's deficiencies. 1911 .22's are a hoot to shoot.

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I have heard that Ciener .22 LR conversion top ends produced in the last decade or so have problems, as well as bad customer service from Ciener.

On the other hand, I have one I purchased new from Ciener in 1992 w/15 rd. mag (wish I had purchased 2 plus 2 more mags: I am in WA State, previously from Alaska, and know that 15-round mags are a no-no for you folks in CA unless it is possibly grandfathered [?]) and it runs flawlessly on my massaged AMT Hardballer and on the home-built 1911 that I put together using an Olympic Arms modified Matchmaster stripped (in the white) frame with Sarco, Numrich, Wolff, and Hogue parts; frame and MSH parked by Oly, in 2013. I used a 19 lb. Wolff mainspring (Colt 1911 .45 spring is ~23 lbs.) and a light Wolff 3-pronged sear spring. The hammer/sear interface was done at .020" (as opposed to a more target interface at .018") resulting in a 5# trigger pull. When doing the build I had to remove some material from the upper mag catch slot on the magazine in order to seat it correctly in the grip frame. It has a round-nosed firing pin and in no way contacts anything other than the rim of the cartridge case so it can be dry-fired with no worries.

With fixed sights it is no target pistol but it will put 15 shots in the 8-ring at 50 ft. from a rest. Not bad for a plinker.

I have no complaints about my Ciener unit.

Sorry to digress from the OP's post, but I just have to stand up for the older Ciener 1911 conversions.

I wish you good fortune in correcting your pistol's deficiencies. 1911 .22's are a hoot to shoot.

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Sorry it took this long to get back and post how my sig 1911 22lr conversion was doing, Been taking care of my dad he had a stroke, not much time for my self. Well it shoots great , 300 rounds so far, only one ftf with some federal bulk ammo. Ran 100 rounds of mini mags, 100 remington golden, 100 federal . I'm real happy with this conversion kit , I'm going to order another kit . I'll try to load some pics. I took out the firing pin blocker, installed it on a spare caspian / foster frame. I'm happy with the slide hold open option.Can't wait to take it shooting again. Rich
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Sorry it took this long to get back and post how my sig 1911 22lr conversion was doing, Been taking care of my dad he had a stroke, not much time for my self. Well it shoots great , 300 rounds so far, only one ftf with some federal bulk ammo. Ran 100 rounds of mini mags, 100 remington golden, 100 federal . I'm real happy with this conversion kit , I'm going to order another kit . I'll try to load some pics. I took out the firing pin blocker, installed it on a spare caspian / foster frame. I'm happy with the slide hold open option.Can't wait to take it shooting again. Rich
Sorry to hear about your dad hopefully everything is ok?

Thanks for the range report, glad to hear you had a MUCH better experience with your kit than I did!
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Kit came last week and was function tested on a Colt 1911 Series 80 Lower. Once everything checked out I ordered the necessary 4 more mags from Ammunition Depot. They came VERY dry and needed some CLP to get them fully functional. Big heavy steel mags, I like them.

BTW - mags are the same as the GSG 1911 22lr. mags, just a different floor plate. $20 - $25 from multiple vendors.

Sunday was Steel Challenge and I decided to give the Conversion Kit a run along side my Rimfire Auto Optic. The kit ran almost flawless through the 200+ rounds of the match. 2 failures to feed and one magazine not seating properly (my fault). Nothing a quick tap & rack didn't fix. I was using a mix of CCI Mini Mags, CCI Std's and Federal Auto Match.

Sights are fixed 3 green dots, not really fiber optic, but easy to pick up in the sunlight. The kit came with 4 extra front sights that are different heights in case you want to fine tune your POI. I shot the match with the installed sight (#3) and found it shot a little high, which I like for Steel Challenge. I just prefer 6 o'clock hold for steel.

Overall I am VERY impressed with the conversion kit. For just under $250 ($159 kit, $80 in mags) I have new Rimfire Auto Iron pistol to compete with! Another friend who competes also picked one up and will be bringing it out next month on a Sig 1911 lower. More feedback coming in the following months...

Hope this helps anyone still on the "fence" about this kit.

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Kit came last week and was function tested on a Colt 1911 Series 80 Lower. Once everything checked out I ordered the necessary 4 more mags from Ammunition Depot. They came VERY dry and needed some CLP to get them fully functional. Big heavy steel mags, I like them.

BTW - mags are the same as the GSG 1911 22lr. mags, just a different floor plate. $20 - $25 from multiple vendors.

Sunday was Steel Challenge and I decided to give the Conversion Kit a run along side my Rimfire Auto Optic. The kit ran almost flawless through the 200+ rounds of the match. 2 failures to feed and one magazine not seating properly (my fault). Nothing a quick tap & rack didn't fix. I was using a mix of CCI Mini Mags, CCI Std's and Federal Auto Match.

Sights are fixed 3 green dots, not really fiber optic, but easy to pick up in the sunlight. The kit came with 4 extra front sights that are different heights in case you want to fine tune your POI. I shot the match with the installed sight (#3) and found it shot a little high, which I like for Steel Challenge. I just prefer 6 o'clock hold for steel.

Overall I am VERY impressed with the conversion kit. For just under $250 ($159 kit, $80 in mags) I have new Rimfire Auto Iron pistol to compete with! Another friend who competes also picked one up and will be bringing it out next month on a Sig 1911 lower. More feedback coming in the following months...

Hope this helps anyone still on the "fence" about this kit.

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Thanks for that positive range report, I'm sure my kit issue was an anomaly of some kind. I REALLY did like the sights though easy to pick up with eyes that are degrading.
Maybe I just need to get Series 80 version of something??
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Maybe I just need to get Series 80 version of something??
Buy or build there is nothing wrong with a new 1911.

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I put my kit on a caspisn 70 series frame, took out the 80 series firing pin blocker the plunger spring from the slide. I runs great, only shot 300 rounds so far. Also installed kit on an 80% vytamenc tactical frame rails cut for this sig conversion slide. It shoots great also ,only 100 rounds of mini mags, shot 100% no problems at all. Hope to shoot more rounds through it this week.RICH
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The Advantage Arms 1911 kit arrived today, put it on the RIA Tactical frame without issue. Pulled a slug from a mini mag dumped the powder and placed the shell casing in chamber(I was in the garage). Fired first try, hand cycled ejected also. Has rear adjustable sights but will need a little color treatment. Has the last round hold open feature.
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Is the Ruger 1911 compatible with the Colt series 80?

Will be going to New Mexico and my daughter has promised to take me shopping, so trying to decide what to have gifted to me.
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Is the Ruger 1911 compatible with the Colt series 80?

Will be going to New Mexico and my daughter has promised to take me shopping, so trying to decide what to have gifted to me.
Ag,

The Ruger SR1911 is a series 70. So I would say probably not.

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Series 70 vs. Series 80

The term "Series 70" originally referred to the spring-collet "Accurizor" barrel bushing and matching reverse-tapered barrel used in Government Model and Gold Cup pistols starting in late 1970 (see post #5 below). Prior pistols became known as "pre-Series 70" guns, and since the collet bushing was not used in the Commander models there were technically never any Series 70 Commanders. The collet bushing was finally phased out around 1988 or so, several years into Series 80 production.

The aftermarket began using the terms "Series 70" and "Series 80" to identify parts they offered for pistols with or without a firing pin safety, such as extractors and firing pins. Eventually the use of "Series 70" to identify any 1911 without a firing pin safety caught on and even Colt began using it in that manner as well, calling their Series 70 reproduction, Wiley Clapp models and various WW1/WW2 replicas by that name even though none of them use a collet bushing.

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Historical background:

Colt is the original manufacturer of 1911 pattern pistols, having made versions for both the military as well as commercial market since regular production began in January 1912. The commercial versions were nearly identical to the military ones, differing only in markings and finish. Following World War Two military production ended, but the commercial guns remained in production with only minor changes such as deletion of the lanyard loop and a larger thumb safety shelf. These pistols are known to collectors as "pre-Series 70" guns, as they pre-dated the Series 70 guns introduced in 1970. It was during this year that Colt introduced the first major design change to the Government Model in nearly 50 years. In an attempt to improve the accuracy of production guns the barrel bushing was redesigned, along with the barrel. In this system the bushing utilized four spring-steel "fingers" that gripped the enlarged diameter of the muzzle end of the barrel as the gun returned to battery. By tightening the fit of barrel and bushing in this manner Colt was able to improve the accuracy of the average production gun, without going through the expense of hand fitting the older solid barrel bushing to the barrel and slide. Models using the new barrel/bushing setup were the Government Model and Gold Cup, which were designated the "Mark IV Series 70" or simply Series 70 pistols. It should be noted that the shorter 4 1/4" barreled Commander pistols retained the use of the older solid bushing design and thus were never designated Series 70 pistols, although one hears the term erroneously applied to Commanders from time to time. The new "collet" bushing (as it came to be known) generally worked quite well, however it was occasionally prone to breakage (see post #3 below) so it was eventually phased out around 1988 as Colt reverted back to using the solid bushing in all of their pistols.

The single biggest change to the 1911 design came about in 1983, when Colt introduced the "MK IV Series 80" pistols. These guns incorporated a new firing pin block safety system, where a series of internal levers and a plunger positively blocked the firing pin from moving until the trigger was pressed, thus eliminating the possibility of the gun discharging if dropped onto a hard surface or struck hard. In this instance however, ALL of Colt's 1911-pattern pistols incorporated the new design change so even the Commander and Officer's ACP pistols became known as Series 80 guns. With the previous paragraph in mind, it is important to know that from 1983 until 1988 the early Government Model and Gold Cup Series 80 pistols used the Series 70-type barrel and bushing as well, although they were known only as Series 80 guns.

There was one other design change made to the Series 80 guns as well, and that was a re-designed half-cock notch. On all models the notch was changed to a flat shelf instead of a hook, and it is located where half-cock is engaged just as the hammer begins to be pulled back. This way the half-cock notch will still perform its job of arresting the hammer fall should your thumb slip while manually cocking the pistol, yet there is no longer a hook to possibly break and allow the hammer to fall anyway. With the notch now located near the at-rest position, you can pull the trigger on a Series 80 while at half-cock and the hammer WILL fall. However, since it was already near the at-rest position the hammer movement isn't sufficient to impact the firing pin with any amount of force.

Regarding the "clone" guns (1911-pattern pistols made by manufacturers other than Colt), so far Para-Ordnance, SIG, Auto Ordnance, Remington, and Taurus have adopted Colt's Series 80 or a similar firing pin block system as well. Kimber's Series II pistols and most models of S&W 1911s have a FP safety also, but it is a different system than Colt's and is disabled by depressing the grip safety. No manufacturers aside from Colt ever adopted the Series 70 collet bushing/barrel arrangement, so technically there are no "Series 70" clone guns. What this means is that design-wise most of them share commonality with the pre-Series 70 guns, using neither the firing pin block NOR the collet bushing. Because of this it is important to remember that only Colt Series 80 models, and a couple of "clone" 1911 makers use a firing pin block. Older Colts and most other clone guns lack a firing pin safety and can possibly discharge if there is a round in the chamber and the gun is dropped on a hard surface, or if struck a blow hard enough to allow the firing pin to jump forward and impact the primer of the loaded round. Typically, use of an extra-power firing pin return spring and/or a titanium firing pin will significantly improve safety in these older designs. By the way, for the past decade Colt has been producing new pistols out of their Custom Shop that lack the S80 firing pin safety. These are the Gunsite and Wiley Clapp models, WW1 and WW2 GI replicas, and a reintroduced original-style Series 70 in both blued and stainless steel that should appeal to 1911 purists. Interestingly, all of these use a solid barrel bushing, so mechanically they are more similar to the original pre-Series 70 models despite being advertised by Colt as having a "Series 70 firing system".

Regarding the controversy involving getting a decent trigger pull on a Series 80 gun, it is only of importance if the gunsmith attempts to create a super-light pull (under four pounds) for target or competition use. In defense/carry guns where a four-pound or heavier pull is necessary, the added friction of the Series 80 parts adds little or nothing to the pull weight or feel. A good gunsmith can do an excellent trigger job on a Series 80 and still leave all the safety parts in place, although he will probably charge a little more than if the gun were a Series 70 since there are more parts to work with. But any gunsmith who tells you that you can't get a good trigger on a Series 80 without removing the safety parts is likely either lazy or incompetent.
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Ag,

The Ruger SR1911 is a series 70. So I would say probably not.

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Mike,

Thanks for that explanation, don't know what I'll run into there next month but I think she can gift me 5 per year? NOT that I can afford that many
C&R's I've got covered!
There are numerous gun stores a Sportsman Warehouse and Dicks opened since we were there last in ABQ, NM.

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