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Old 02-08-2011, 9:43 PM
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Default Can you put a magwell on a Saiga12 with a BB?

I noticed a couple threads on here talking about it but never saw any follow up on how it worked out. I have my Saiga 12 up and running great, and would really like to add a magwell. Just wondering, with a converted Saiga, if that bullet button is going to hinder putting on a magwell. Is there a spacific one to buy>?
CSS has no idea about bullet buttons...lucky...
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:05 AM
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Also, can you run drums with a magwell?

Dont know if the stem of the drum is long enough...
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Old 02-09-2011, 12:37 AM
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I noticed a couple threads on here talking about it but never saw any follow up on how it worked out. I have my Saiga 12 up and running great, and would really like to add a magwell. Just wondering, with a converted Saiga, if that bullet button is going to hinder putting on a magwell. Is there a spacific one to buy>?
CSS has no idea about bullet buttons...lucky...

Contact R&R Targets. I spoke with them at SHOT, and they have a CA model of this magwell that has a shortened lever and a shroud (maglock).




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Also, can you run drums with a magwell?

Dont know if the stem of the drum is long enough...
My first guess would be No. The stem is just too short.

However, I did some searching, and found some discussions.

Magwell for stick and drum mags
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there currently are no drums that will work in the different magwells out there.

as for a bullet button, you would have to have something custom made, im sure. think
AR type mag release for a start on what you would have to make.
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I'm liking that R&R Tactical:

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That is awsome, so it has a built in BB? how much does it run?
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The rep told me it was just a few bucks more than the standard magwell. Maybe 20 or 30 more.

You should probably just contact them.
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Will do, thanks. It looks like it has some mixed reviews, but you guys haven't had any problems? probably just gun yuppies complaining because it isn't straight from russian..
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The rep told me it was just a few bucks more than the standard magwell. Maybe 20 or 30 more.

You should probably just contact them.


Robert of R&R will have these out in a bit for $239
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Ya hey told me $250, and same thing, out soon. I'm curious how the bulletbutton portion works. Because it's 2 1/2 times the cost of one from carolina shooters, and looking at the magwell, on the CSS one, it looks like you could still use a bullet button.

But if that $250 has a AR style BB it's worth it.
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wow never seen this so do you have to mod the mags so they no longer rock and lock
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kinda wondering if the CSS one would work with a BB, anyone ever try the rock'n lock with a BB?
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What about this bullet button http://armsofamerica.com/saiga12magazinelock-3999.aspx

with this magwell http://store.carolinashooterssupply....l?sfs=4b75ed70
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ya I think i'm gonna go with that magwell, since I have agp mags. and if my BB doesn't work I might try that BB.
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ya I think i'm gonna go with that magwell, since I have agp mags. and if my BB doesn't work I might try that BB.
Let me know if that's going to work out for you... I'm still waiting on my S12.
I haven't seen the BB on mine and I don't want to order anything, yet... Three more days.


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However, I did some searching, and found some discussions.

Magwell for stick and drum mags
That thread is vaporware. Its been dead for almost 2 years.

There is no magwell that is the end all and be all for everyone and everything. Every magwell that is out there for the S12 is mag specific. Even more so its mag specific to mags it is made for that are modded only to work in that magwell.

The R&R Targets works only with Surefire mags that are modded to fit in that magwell with its AR like mag catch.

The Russian magwell, if you can get one, works only with the Russian 8 round mags which are also quite rare and expensive.

The magwells at Carolina Shooters Supply are made be JT Engineering and there is an AGP version and a Surefire version. Both of which requires modding of the mag such that the mag only works with the magwell and not in a stock S12.

The best thing to do is to just leave the magwell alone because in that form its is compatible with all the drums and mags made for the S12. This would allow you the flexibility of using your buddy's Surefires while you can also use your AGPs or use an MD drum or Promag drum when you're in a mag friendly state.
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...The best thing to do is to just leave the magwell alone because in that form its is compatible with all the drums and mags made for the S12. This would allow you the flexibility of using your buddy's Surefires while you can also use your AGPs or use an MD drum or Promag drum when you're in a mag friendly state.
My thoughts exactly. However, people do wacky things with their guns. I was just giving them a jumping off point for their search on magwells.

Going further on this subject - The AK pattern gun design hasn't changed much (almost none) in about 65 years. I think there's a reason for that. When you start monkeying with the core design, in this case; rock and lock mags, you are really limiting the weapon. Mag reliability goes down, as well as mag interchangeability.

Is there really a major advantage to the addition of a magwell, other than for competition?

If it's just for "cool factor", something different, or some other preferential reason then by all means do it. I'm all for it However, you're losing something in the process.
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Really good point. Seems like alot of changes that benefit you in one way hinder another.
But I don't have any buddies with s12s to share mags with and I would like a easier way to load a S12 clip, especially under pressure. Wouldn't the mag well reinforce the mag as well?
Has anyone ever used the rock n lock? Does it help a lot? And do you have to modify your mags for it?
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Really good point. Seems like alot of changes that benefit you in one way hinder another.
But I don't have any buddies with s12s to share mags with and I would like a easier way to load a S12 clip, especially under pressure. Wouldn't the mag well reinforce the mag as well?
Has anyone ever used the rock n lock? Does it help a lot? And do you have to modify your mags for it?

rock n lock is a magazine insertion method

it is found on the ak ,the mini 14/thrity, m1a,fal

straight insertion is the type on ar-15(stanag mag all others) ,m1 carbine,thompson, uzi
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I think this is what he was asking about:

Rock and Lock
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I watched the R&R target guys video, mag changes in 1.48 sec. shot to shot = awesome. That's almost as fast and Jerry M's tubular reloads on his old Remington 1100 (he's now shooting a 930 mossy).
Most high end custom guns have "tuned" magazines for that gun, the S-12 with a mag well used for 3 gun shouldn't be a surprize that modified magazines are needed and that they won't work in anything but your gun. But if you do all of that to your Saiga...it's a dedicated game gun, nothing else. In that light, I say get 10 or 12 modified magazines and have a ball.
Otherwise, leave it alone and practice the tried and true AK47 *"Knock it, rock it and lock it" mag change. Heck 10 million Chinese and Russian soldiers couldn't be wrong, could they?
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My analysis when I looked into a few years ago was that the magwells were too picky for my mixed mag lot. Also the purpose is to increase mag change speed with fully load mag and bolt closed. This can be accomplished by just getting the bolt polished. Still have to rock but unless u are a professional shooter in stiff competitions u might shave .2 seconds off reload time. Bolt polish is relatively cheap and can still use all mags.

Lastly, my understanding is if they ever perfect a bolt hold open on last round magwells will hinder the ability to work.
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I think this is what he was asking about:

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Thanks. That is what I was talking about.
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