[radioactivelego]

I'm 19 and I want kick ****** Cowboy revolvers in 45 Colt because they are cool. I also have no HSC.

If I buy one of these suckers and stick in one of these babies, what needs to be done?

[anotherone]

There's folks here who know a lot more about California gun laws than I do, but I'll briefly chime in here. Basically by purchasing a black powder revolver and then using a centerfire adaptor to turn it into a single action revolver you have committed three criminal acts:

1) Possession of an unregistered handgun
2) Possession of an unregistered handgun by a person under 21 years of age
3) Manufacture of an unsafe handgun

Yeah... California gun laws are ridiculously draconian. But I'd really reconsider your current course of action if you hope to be able to lawfully possess a firearm when you're 21 and old enough to buy a handgun (if any are still legal to buy at that time ).

[fun2none]

Don't you have to be 21+ to buy handgun ammunition in California ?

[hoffmang]

I think you will have manufactured an unsafe handgun which is a felony. Others will certainly jump in if I'm wrong.

-Gene

[leelaw]

1. Go get your HSC.
2. Ask your dad or mom (whomever will respond more positively) if they would front the purchase for you, then transfer the handgun into your name. (explain that this is perfectly legal, and you will cover all costs)

[radioactivelego]

Originally Posted by fun2none

Don't you have to be 21+ to buy handgun ammunition in California ?

My father reloads and I already have the equipment at hand, why not load up some cowboy loads?

[radioactivelego]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

I think you will have manufactured an unsafe handgun which is a felony. Others will certainly jump in if I'm wrong.

-Gene

I thought you could manufacture any handgun you want as long as you didn't sell it?

[fun2none]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

I think you will have manufactured an unsafe handgun which is a felony. Others will certainly jump in if I'm wrong.

-Gene

12133.(a) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-action revolver that has at least a 5-cartridge capacity with a barrel length of not less than three inches, and meets any of the following specifications:
(1) Was originally manufactured prior to 1900 and is a curio or relic, as defined in Section 478.11 of Title 27 of the Code of Federal Regulations.
(2) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.
(3) Has an overall length measured parallel to the barrel of at least 7 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled and that is currently approved for importation into the United States pursuant to the provisions of paragraph (3) of subsection (d) of Section 925 of Title 18 of the United States Code.
(b) The provisions of this chapter shall not apply to a single-shot pistol with a barrel length of not less than six inches and that has an overall length of at least 10 1/2 inches when the handle, frame or receiver, and barrel are assembled.

[Pokey]

The set up you are talking about are not uncommon at CAS matches. Stages requiring reloads are uncommon but a pain (sloooow) with the conversion. The conversion itself is not illegal as far as I know but with your age it could be an issue. Why not have your parents buy it and let you use it until you are 21 then it's yours? BTW last I checked by the time you got the BP pistol and the conversion you could buy a decent SA revolver. Or you could just shoot CAS in the Black Powder division (it's a major kick in the butt shooting through the HUGE clouds smoke!).

[Pulsar]

Originally Posted by hoffmang

I think you will have manufactured an unsafe handgun which is a felony. Others will certainly jump in if I'm wrong.

-Gene

Then I would think there are a lot of people out there comming felonies by converting guns, like a .44 mag Desert Eagle to .50AE or a 1911 to .22LR.

It's not illegal to modify, but I don't think you can sell it.

[radioactivelego]

Originally Posted by Pokey

Stages requiring reloads are uncommon but a pain (sloooow) with the conversion.

Who said I needed to reload? This is for practicing for CCW crossdraws!

Thanks for all of the info, guys. I think I'll be a-okay as long as I have an HSC. I'll look into registering it. If worse comes to worse there's always swapping the blackpowder cylinder back in when I'm done at the range!

[metalhead357]

Originally Posted by radioactivelego

Who said I needed to reload? This is for practicing for CCW crossdraws!

Ok, first dont be a 'tard or you'll end shooting yourself and being a dead tard. DONT EVER PRACTICE with a loaded gun.

think I'll be a-okay as long as I have an HSC. I'll look into registering it.

Huh? You wanna bank on your future ownship of guns and your freedom over this safety check?

I dont get it? You'll "look into" getting it registered?
Posession of an uregistered hangun by a minor is what you could possibly be looking at........

think I'll be a-okay as long as I have an HSC. I'll look into registering it. If worse comes to worse there's always swapping the blackpowder cylinder back in when I'm done at the range

Besides, HOW are you going to Carry concealed when they will not issue you a permit until over the age of 21.

Please either clarify what it is you're asking and/or specify what it is you're trying to do.... as it stands the post seems suspect......

I'm smelling something rotton here in Denmark folks................

[radioactivelego]

Originally Posted by metalhead357

Ok, first dont be a 'tard or you'll end shooting yourself and being a dead tard. DONT EVER PRACTICE with a loaded gun.

Don't ever practice with a loaded gun UNTIL you have the crossdraw movement down. This usually requires 500,000 tries.

Originally Posted by metalhead357

Huh? You wanna bank on your future ownship of guns and your freedom over this safety check?

I dont get it? You'll "look into" getting it registered?
Posession of an uregistered hangun by a minor is what you could possibly be looking at........

First off, I should of been more clear. The only time I would have it assembled as a handgun would be out of state as I'm constantly making trips to Nevada, Arizona, Vermont, etc. Second, it would be possession unregistered handgun without the minor. Minors are under 18, not under 21.

Originally Posted by metalhead357

Besides, HOW are you going to Carry concealed when they will not issue you a permit until over the age of 21.

Open carry in out-of-state and you can never have enough practice before it's time for a CCW permit.

Originally Posted by metalhead357

I'm smelling something rotton here in Denmark folks................

It's rotten, also I didn't know people in Denmark were concerned so much with California gun laws and long bouts of periods sequenced together.......................................... .........................

[metalhead357]

LOL!

Ok, points made! Touche~ and very good recovery. Hope ya' understood my......trepedation when stumbling across a thread of what 'seemed' to be of a minor asking about items that 'seem' to posised as asking how to politely break the law But as said, you've done a nice recovery and explained yer'self better; methinks the rottING in Denmark beist m' spelling

[chiefcrash]

Originally Posted by anotherone

...you have committed three criminal acts:
...
2) Possession of an unregistered handgun by a person under 21 years of age
...

in california, you need to be 18 to possess a handgun, not 21...

but you have to be 21 to PURCHASE a handgun...

[metalhead357]

and then back to 21 to buy ammunition for said handgun..all of which still makes about the same bassackwards sense

[ETD1010]

Originally Posted by metalhead357

and then back to 21 to buy ammunition for said handgun..all of which still makes about the same bassackwards sense

Another reason why I dislike this state. The laws are so. . . stupid sometimes. My dad bought the 9mm which I now own, because when I was 20, I wanted to start shooting one. So, it was his, and I was allowed to use it. California law dictated all I need was consent (I even called the DOJ on this). So when I turned 21, he transfered it to me and i got to keep it. But it was so silly, because in the mean time, I could shoot it quite legally, but had to have him buy the ammo for it. . . .

[chiefcrash]

Originally Posted by metalhead357

and then back to 21 to buy ammunition for said handgun..all of which still makes about the same bassackwards sense

i always got around that problem by saying that the ammo was for my pistol caliber rifle...

i *love* the 2nd proof of residency requirement for handguns. because my california's drivers license just isn't good enough itself...

[leelaw]

Wasn't there a letter from All ison at the DOJ which basically confirmed that purchasing an 80% frame and machining it for personal use was not "manufacturing" (something like manufacturing implied multiples or making available for sale)? Couldn't that apply here, in which case he could do as suggested (though I wouldn't) and then register it with the state?

[tenpercentfirearms]

Can someone post a link to this "possession of an unregistered handgun by someone under 21" nonsense? I think people are blowing smoke out their rears.

I think this because it is perfectly lawful for 18-20 year olds to possess handguns. It is a fact that I have confirmed through the penal code and conversations with the DOJ that if you are 18-20 you can take the HSC and do an interfamilial transfer between a parent or grandparent and yourself to lawfully register a handgun in your name.

So if you get along with your parents, offer to pay for the actual gun you want, the DROS, and then for the interfamilial transfer. Bam, the gun will be in your name and you can do what you want with it under California law. That is the way to go. Forget about 80% builds, unless you really want to get technical with the law and you are really into machining.

And metalhead357, relax. When a kid posts some info and he isn't exactly technically correct or it appears he might be doing something dangerous if taken literally, that doesn't mean he is a DOJ plant or troll. Nothing but good is coming of this thread even if he were fake. Sheesh.