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09-05-2006, 9:55 PM
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When will Arnold sign AB2728?
He didnt sign it today. It would be great if he vetoed it and said in his Austrian accent, "YOU MUST ALLOW KALEEFORNIA'S GUN OWNERS THE OPPORTUNITY TO REGISTER! Seecond Amendment rights will not be infringed!" Then he pulls out a shot gun and racks a round with one hand. Is Arnold busy writing his veto? Chances are small, but hey I can dream!
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09-05-2006, 9:58 PM
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Whether or not he vetos AB2728 is almost really irrelevant. If he does sign it all it does is formalize the path the DOJ has already decided to take (not to list). It also reduces possession to a civil crime. Kinda almost makes you hope he will sign it...
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09-05-2006, 9:59 PM
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a) he doesn't care and just won't sign it or just veto it b) studying it vigorously and taking advice from other Repubs on this... c) he will listen to his wife, and sign it d) flips a coin to decide...hmm I'd probably go with a or b.  but you never know...
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09-05-2006, 10:07 PM
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Comming up with reasons to veto AB2728 is actually fairly easy. One could even argue they vetoed AB2728 to be "tough on Assault Weapons".
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09-05-2006, 10:10 PM
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Well! I PERSONALLY HOPE HE SIGNS IT!!!
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09-05-2006, 10:23 PM
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I know some of us like the "civil crime" concession by the DOJ. I suspect there is no way they can prosecute enough illegal AW owners to make a dent in the numbers of unregistered AWs. Add to that the fact that thousands more are coming into the state in the form of OLLs that guys are going to illegally configure. Will it come to the point that so many guys will be at the range shooting their AWs that NO ONE gives a hoot anymore? Or, will gun owners just hoard AWs in the dark corners of their safes, never to smell the sweet air of freedom? I've seen guys with OLL lower builds that have the Prince50 mag lock at the range many times. "It's the DOJs opinion that these are illegal" blah blah blah. No one says anything to these guys. Are we at that point now? Most of us California gun owners, including myself, are total "Boyscouts" when it comes to following the laws. We will never commit any type of crime, even a "civil crime;" no matter how much we are tempted. We dont jaywalk or litter as some people have equated the new penalties for AW ownership. So for people like us, AB2728 really hurts. I want SB23 removed from the laws because it is unenforcable and violates our 2A rights.
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09-05-2006, 11:33 PM
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It is my understanding that if he does nothing 2728 becomes law. I'm with Ben. I'm hoping he signs it or does nothing and it becomes law.
Registering rifles by listing bans them from future import into California. That is not a long term good thing for gun rights in California. -Gene
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09-06-2006, 10:35 AM
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California gun rights are in real trouble when the gun nuts themselves are calling for more bans.
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09-06-2006, 11:04 AM
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09-06-2006, 11:17 AM
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It's crazy.
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09-06-2006, 11:26 AM
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not trying to be harsh. don't judge me seacrest out
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09-06-2006, 2:49 PM
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Whatever the reasoning ("I want cool toys! Waaah!"), advocating gun bans does not help protect or advance gun rights in this state or any other. Gun bans are a bad idea, with no justification beyond emotional appeals to irrationality. This is the message California gun owners should be delivering, with one voice, to legislators, regulators and the public. Too bad we can't even manage that.
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09-06-2006, 10:31 PM
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tree,
I'm usually a huge fan, but the ban issue is this. If the DOJ places the rifle on the list, they effectively end the import of that rifle. That's enough of a ban to be a ban under most any analysis. -Gene
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09-06-2006, 10:32 PM
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I'm only a supporter of Harrott-style AR/AK bans
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09-07-2006, 2:22 AM
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I will say two things. One is anti-ban, one is actually pro-ban.
Anti: I really don't want to deal with AW transport regulations. It'd be awfully convenient if my Armalite-upper'ed AR with the Monsterman grip could stay that way. Pro: If there WERE to be a series of listings, say once a quarter or so, do you guys have any idea how many new gun owners we'd have in California? It'd be mid-December all over again! Remember, OLL's politically motivate Californians in ways that C&Rs and PC-looking rifles absolutely do not!
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01-28-2009, 5:52 PM
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"I'm only a supporter of Harrott-style AR/AK bans"
The funniest part about this comes when you read the analysis of the decision by one of the dissenting judges. I can't recall his name right now, but he uses the phrase "eviscerates the AW ban" in describing the loopholes created by the Harrott decision. I don't know how it worked out the way that it did, but it was damned near the best thing to happen in CA in a long, long time.
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01-28-2009, 7:17 PM
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01-28-2009, 7:23 PM
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"Seems like the newbs are riding the wayback machine lately."
You got it, brother. When I started looking around the web for information on firearms, it was as a new owner of several M1As and a few pistols. People told me about guns that I "missed the boat on buying by several years." I googled said guns, and low and behold, found Calguns.net. The idea that I could actually get legal versions of AK, AR, FAL, HK-91, etc. firearms fascinated me. Since then, like others who are new to the scene but eager to catch up and do their part in CA gun advocacy, I've been reading (and in some cases) exhuming old threads. Wish I'd be around since the 90s and got stuff before the bans set in, but better late than never at al. I've already got several other "newbs" to buy into the OL bandwagon, so it's not just a matter of looky lou stuff...
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01-28-2009, 7:36 PM
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01-28-2009, 7:55 PM
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The truth is, I can take it to the range every day and people are far more interested in the OLLs that are there. I might get a passing glance, but that's it. I think there's so many "CA legal" ARs out there that no one's sure what's legal or illegal anymore.
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01-28-2009, 8:14 PM
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I work at a hospital and one thing that I've taken to doing is to inviting people to come along with my wife and I to an indoor range to shoot our 9mm and 357 mags. So far, I've had a few people express interest. Ironically, they're people who advertise themselves as "anti-gun Berkeley/UCSF" types, but when given the opportunity to try out handguns, they jump at the chance.
Dissolving resistance from within, one "anti" at a time...
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01-28-2009, 8:16 PM
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Any ban effectively ends for all generations to come their ability to possess such firearms. It may not be in our lifetime, but there *will* come a time when a generation will truly need all the arms that they can get. That is why bans are bad.
-Jason
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01-28-2009, 8:31 PM
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I turned my wife from anti into a supporter. She's asked me to take her shooting.
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01-28-2009, 10:39 PM
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He still hasn't signed it!
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01-29-2009, 12:00 AM
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01-29-2009, 12:55 AM
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 I COMPLETELY forgot about that scene in the movie - I nearly choked on my soda!
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01-29-2009, 7:11 AM
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Sure beats the hell out of starting dozens and dozens of new threads on subjects that have already been hashed out a hundred times.
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01-29-2009, 9:00 AM
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did the image seem a bit, humorous, perhaps? 
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02-10-2010, 10:46 PM
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It's been another year - did he sign it yet!?
Sorry, I was doing some research and I ran into this post again and couldn't help myself
Last edited by shark92651; 02-10-2010 at 10:54 PM.
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02-10-2010, 11:29 PM
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lol. Thanks Shark!
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02-11-2010, 12:42 AM
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but seriously, wth is this all aboot? from what i've gathered it seems like arnie was maybe gonna sign something that would list our precious OLL's and therefore force us to register them to be legal??? why in the wide, wide, world of sports would anyone want forced registration of any firearm? seems to me like they just want to know where to get them come outright ban time.
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02-11-2010, 12:46 AM
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