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I can confirm that AB-962 has been struck down. An official announcement should be forthcoming in minutes from Michel & Associates/CRPA-F.

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I have just spent 2 days on and off the phone with HP tech support, they still cannot fix my problem and the frustration level is very high, this news has made all the pain go away.

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I can confirm that AB-962 has been struck down. An official announcement should be forthcoming in minutes from Michel & Associates/CRPA-F.

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This is better than great news. Can't wait to read the ruling.

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Someone amend the OP and title before we get a dozen threads PDQ!
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FYI www.ammunitiontogo.com ( great service btw. Quick order processing and delivery) was going to keep shipping to California everything until told otherwise.
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It's really REALLY nice to get great news on a Tuesday. Beyond the death of the CA AWB I can't think of much better news.
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You might consider 'reloading' the Calguns Foundation, because there are more gun laws we need to work on...

We should be ever thankful for this small victory...
And who knows if it gets appealed. (although depending onthe wording, I doubt it).
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This is super great news!!
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Rumors circulating that AB-962 has been ruled unconstitutionally vague at this morning's hearing. Attempting to obtain confirmation.

I certainly hope so!!!!

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Unfortunately sometimes all that means is it's unconstitutional in the way it is currently written, but could be run thru the .leg again to more clearly define that parts that were ruled vague/overly broad and it could be passed again and possibly withstand court challenge with the changes.

Looking forward to reading the ruling though....should be good.
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Ok no is the time to shine and not do business with the people who would not support us with AB962. Lets stick it up their bunghole!
and who would that be? those that made a decision that they would not sell rifle ammo (because the definition of handgun ammo was vague)? Did you boycott all the local gun shops that sequestered all ammo (other than shotgun shells) away from the customers on 1/1/2010 due to that same handgun ammo vagueness? remember that that position not to sell any ammo (other than shotgun ammo) after 2/1/2011 by some vendors (such as CTD) helped our position to show that the ban was vague.
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Woooo Hoooo over 400+ in the 2A forums!! Come on Guys... $25 each in donation would be great for CGF!!
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VICTORY!

WAS IT OVER WHEN THE GERMANS BOMBED PEARL HARBOR?

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Unfortunately sometimes all that means is it's unconstitutional in the way it is currently written, but could be run thru the .leg again to more clearly define that parts that were ruled vague/overly broad and it could be passed again and possibly withstand court challenge with the changes.
If memory serves, they unsuccessfully tried to push exactly such a change through the legislature at the last second before the end of the previous session; I expect we'll see that resurrected.
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Man that is great news!
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The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?
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lol, what school did you attend?
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If memory serves, they unsuccessfully tried to push exactly such a change through the legislature at the last second before the end of the previous session; I expect we'll see that resurrected.
Will just hafta see what the ruling says about other aspects of the case to get an indicator of what kind of changes/ammendments the .leg could use to try and get it passed again.
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Unfortunately sometimes all that means is it's unconstitutional in the way it is currently written, but could be run thru the .leg again to more clearly define that parts that were ruled vague/overly broad and it could be passed again and possibly withstand court challenge with the changes.
For those who are up on the political climate in Sacramento, what is the likelihood of a clean up bill that simply banned mail order and internet sales of handgun and rifle ammo? Seems like it would be easier to do it that way than to just list the handgun ammo calibers.
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For those who are up on the political climate in Sacramento, what is the likelihood of a clean up bill that simply banned mail order and internet sales of handgun and rifle ammo? Seems like it would be easier to do it that way than to just list the handgun ammo calibers.
Probably not likely because it's likely that JB will veto it.

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For those who are up on the political climate in Sacramento, what is the likelihood of a clean up bill that simply banned mail order and internet sales of handgun and rifle ammo? Seems like it would be easier to do it that way than to just list the handgun ammo calibers.
Like I said above.....alot of what they will be able to do depends on the other details of the ruling. Will hafta see what it says when it comes out to get a better idea of the boundaries that have been set for state.leg if they attempt to revive it in another form.
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Here is the announcement

COURT GRANTS NRA / CRPA FOUNDATION MOTION, INVALIDATES UNCONSTITUTIONAL AMMUNITION REGULATION STATUTE THAT WOULD HAVE BANNED MAIL ORDER AMMO SALES & REQUIRED AMMO SALES REGISTRATION

In a dramatic ruling giving gun owners a win in an National Rifle Association / California Rifle and Pistol (CRPA) Foundation lawsuit, this morning Fresno Superior Court Judge Jeffrey Hamilton ruled that AB 962, the hotly contested statute that would have banned mail order ammunition sales and required all purchases of so called “handgun ammunition” to be registered, was unconstitutionally vague on its face. The Court enjoined enforcement of the statute, so mail order ammunition sales to California can continue unabated, and ammunition sales need not be registered under the law.

The lawsuit was prompted in part by the many objections and questions raised by confused police, ammunition purchasers, and sellers about what ammunition is covered by the new laws created by AB 962. In a highly unusual move that reflects growing law enforcement opposition to ineffective gun control laws, Tehama County Sheriff Clay Parker is the lead plaintiff in the lawsuit. Other plaintiffs include the CRPA Foundation, Herb Bauer Sporting Goods, ammunition shipper Able’s Ammo, collectible ammunition shipper RTG Sporting Collectibles, and individual Steven Stonecipher. Mendocino Sheriff Tom Allman also supported the lawsuit.

The ruling comes just days before the portion of the law that bans mail order sales of so called “handgun ammunition” was set to take effect on February 1, 2011. The lawsuit, Parker v. California is funded exclusively by the NRA and the CRPA Foundation. If it had gone into effect, AB 962 would have imposed burdensome and ill conceived restrictions on the sales of ammunition. AB 962 required that “handgun ammunition” be stored out of the reach of customers, that ammunition vendors collect ammunition sales registration information and thumb-prints from purchasers, and conduct transactions face-to-face for all deliveries and transfers of “handgun ammunition.” The lawsuit successfully sought the declaration from the Court that the statute was unconstitutional, and successfully sought the injunctive relief prohibiting law enforcement from enforcing the new laws.

The lawsuit alleged, and the Court agreed, that AB 962 is unconstitutionally vague on its face because it fails to provide sufficient legal notice of what ammunition cartridges are “principally for use in a handgun,” and thus is considered “handgun ammunition” that is regulated under AB 962. It is practically impossible, both for those subject to the law and for those who must enforce it, to determine whether any of the thousands of different types of ammunition cartridges that can be used in handguns are actually “principally for use in” or used more often in, a handgun. The proportional usage of any given cartridge is impossible to determine, and in any event changes with market demands. In fact, the legislature itself is well aware of the vagueness problem with AB 962's definition of "handgun ammunition" and tried to redefine it via AB 2358 in 2010. AB 2358 failed in the face of opposition from the NRA and CRPA based on the proposal’s many other nonsensical infringements on ammunition sales to law abiding citizens.

Constitutional vagueness challenges to state laws are extremely difficult to win, particularly in California firearms litigation so this success is particularly noteworthy. Even so, an appeal by the State is likely, but the Court’s Order enjoining enforcement of the law is effective – February 1, 2011 – immediately regardless.

Despite this win for common sense over ill-conceived and counter productive gun laws, additional legislation on this and related subjects will no doubt be proposed in Sacramento this legislative session. It is absolutely critical that those who believe in the right to keep and bear arms stay informed and make their voices heard in Sacramento. When AB 962 passed there was loud outcry from law abiding gun owners impacted by the new law. Those voices must be heard during the legislative session and before a proposed law passes, not after a law is signed. To help, sign up for legislative alerts at www.nraila.com and www.calnra.com and respond when called upon.

Seventeen years ago the NRA and CRPA joined forces to fight local gun bans being written and pushed in California by the gun ban lobby. Their coordinated efforts became the NRA/CRPA "Local Ordinance Project" (LOP) - a statewide campaign to fight ill conceived local efforts at gun control and educate politicians about available programs that are effective in reducing accidents and violence without infringing on the rights of law-abiding gun owners. The NRA/CRPA LOP has had tremendous success in beating back most of these anti-self-defense proposals.

In addition to fighting local gun bans, for decades the NRA has been litigating dozens of cases in California courts to promote the right to self-defense and the 2nd Amendment. In the post Heller and McDonaldlegal environment, NRA and CRPA Foundation have formed the NRA/CRPA Foundation Legal Action Project (LAP), a joint venture to pro-actively strike down ill-conceived gun control laws and ordinances and advance the rights of firearms owners, specifically in California. Sometimes, success is more likely when LAP's litigation efforts are kept low profile, so the details of every lawsuit are not always released. To see a partial list of the LAP’s recent accomplishments, or to contribute to the NRA or to the NRA / CRPAF LAP and support this and similar Second Amendment cases, visit www.nraila.com and www.crpafoundation.org.
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Old 01-18-2011, 12:41 PM
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