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Old 08-14-2006, 4:40 PM
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I'm thinking about building a Browning M1919, semi-automatic of course.

First the legal question: I would like to build off of an 80% reciever, what are the laws surrounding this and, if I do, can I ever sell this firearm?

Secondly, are there any other factors I need to be aware of in this build? I heard something about welding the sideplate, and there being some kind of thickness requirement..?

Also, a mechanical question: I heard the M1919 can feed from a metallic belt or cloth. I'd rather have a belt-fed for some legal reasons (as to only link 10 rounds at a time), but I heard some models only fed from cloth. Which models should I avoid in order to ensure this thing is belt-fed?

A build question: Where could I find the how-to for putting one of these together? I have built many guns up in the past without instructions, but am more comfortable with them. Where can I find these?

Finally, a financial question: How much is an M1919 worth if I were to buy one right off the bat? And how much should these complete (lacking only a complete reciever) part kits go for? Which are the best and where?

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Old 08-14-2006, 4:53 PM
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I believe if you build it from an 80% receiver, you will be unable to sell it at any time in the future.
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Old 08-14-2006, 4:56 PM
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I believe if you build it from an 80% receiver, you will be unable to sell it at any time in the future.
Incorrect.

Build it on an 80% receiver, list the manufacturerer (YOU) the address it was made (City/State is fine) and a model name, serial number and caliber and you are good to go.

Example:

Joe Smith
Hades, California
M19 7.62x51 NATO
CA011506 (For serial number I would use CA for california, and then the date it was made)


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P.S. You can OCCASIONALLY sell an 80%, as in 1 time a year or something, don't go making it a business without the proper FFL licensing.
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Old 08-14-2006, 5:06 PM
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Sounds like it'd be easier to just get the 100% receiver through an FFL, I mean to avoid all that one-year crap in case I decide to build another.
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Old 08-14-2006, 5:30 PM
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I built mine from an 80% plate. I've only run links through it. Allied Armament up in Oregon had completed ones onsale for like $989. That'd probably be your best bet right there. I had them do the machine work on the internals and install a KMP? trigger/sear. Here's mine.


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I built mine from an 80% plate. I've only run links through it. Allied Armament up in Oregon had completed ones onsale for like $989. That'd probably be your best bet right there. I had them do the machine work on the internals and install a KMP? trigger/sear. Here's mine.


That is so awesome . I just can't justify spending a grand on a gun I wouldn't be able to fire very often. Boy do I want one though...
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Old 08-14-2006, 5:42 PM
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Wow, pricey. I've seen kits between $3-400 though, how come that one cost so much? The tripod?
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Old 08-14-2006, 5:55 PM
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400 + 100 for a sideplate + 100 or more for machine work + 120 or so for a semi trigger and sear + 25 or so for rivets ... somebody has to assemble it.. refinish isn't free either.

Kinda easy to add up to a grand. Nope the tripod isn't kncluded for that price.

Ripping through hundreds of rounds of ammo and making the oil and grease smoke, priceless
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Old 08-14-2006, 6:02 PM
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Building my own AR15 I probably saved $300+, then added a couple personalized things (different flash suppressor, stock, etc.) and it came out cheaper than a completely stock AR15.

I'll bet that M1919 can be built way cheaper than $1000, though the semi-auto trigger/sear/etc. is inevitable. Putting it together should be no problem, and duracoat is nice and cheap.

What other parts need to be machined?
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and duracoat is nice and cheap.
High temp flat black BBQ paint is cheaper

If you were a really handy guy you could mod the FCG and right side plate/bolt/etc with a MIG/Drill Press/End mills/files/grinder and a couple days work...

Ive thought about doing a 1919, but everytime I do, I change my mind.

Now if it was AZ and we could do a pistol, I'd have a 10" barrel, pistol gripped 500rd "fanny pack with minigun feed chute" belted "pistol" hahaha.

3" sling over your shoulder to help hold it...


Hehehe

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Wow, pricey. I've seen kits between $3-400 though, how come that one cost so much? The tripod?
I made that tripod at work on my lunch break Whenever I have time I'll make a T&E setup for it.

But this is the way mine priced out if I can remember everything....
Parts kit $421 shipped
Right side plate and rivits $165 shipped
Drill bits, rivit countersink bit estimate at $40 shipped
KMP trigger/sear $112 shipped
Machine work $100?
Duracoat was around $30
So if I remembered everything and did my math right I'm at $868 out the door....no DROS because the RSP was an 80% and no tax because everything was mail ordered. I did borrow the bucking bars and rivit tool from a fellow calgunner (Thanks you know who you are! ) It's a total novelty gun to me, I bought the parts kit because of that barrel ban freaking out that I'd never be able to afford one already built in the future. After seeing it sit in the basement for about 2 days I couldn't wait any longer and ordered everything else I needed to build it. Everyone at the range ooooooooo's and aaaaaaaaawwwwwwwww's at it. I am worried about it though, I had the RSP engraved with whatever they said back in the day and it does say "BROWNING MACHINE GUN" right on the side.
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You can have a 16" barrel and still have portable fun with the 1919.

I wonder what the overall length of that gun is
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Old 08-16-2006, 7:38 PM
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j2ws2000,
If you live in SoCal there's usually a build party once or twice a year. Keep an eye on www.1919a4.com or www.shoot1919a4.com as that's where it will be posted.

Rollin has everything at his house from a sandblaster to a mill, you have to do your own work but others are always there to help guide you. Email Daves100 off the 1919a4 board, he makes the cleanest RSP's from what I've seen. I think he sells them for $105 plain, add $15 more for any engraving.
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I wonder what the overall length of that gun is
My guess...35"


Lets see how close I am.


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Old 08-16-2006, 7:52 PM
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It is over 30" long so it is California legal.

Is that one yours? I've seen that pic before IIRC on 1919a4.com...
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Old 08-16-2006, 7:59 PM
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The funny thing is that if they consider "belts" and "links" to be classified and restricted by the 10 round magazine rule, then how do they prove that you linked your ammo AFTER the year 2000? Or do they not care about links since its pretty much impossible to prove (or more technically, if you had the links before 2000, you can load them to standard-high capacity?)
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The funny thing is that if they consider "belts" and "links" to be classified and restricted by the 10 round magazine rule, then how do they prove that you linked your ammo AFTER the year 2000? Or do they not care about links since its pretty much impossible to prove (or more technically, if you had the links before 2000, you can load them to standard-high capacity?)
The deal with links is that if you have pre-ban links, to not disassemble or shoot the last 10 rounds. Then its always a high-capacity belt. If you link up more than 10 that could be construed the same as manufactoring a high capacity magazine. As with almost all of the magazine laws, they are nearly impossible to enforce.
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The funny thing is that if they consider "belts" and "links" to be classified and restricted by the 10 round magazine rule, then how do they prove that you linked your ammo AFTER the year 2000? Or do they not care about links since its pretty much impossible to prove (or more technically, if you had the links before 2000, you can load them to standard-high capacity?)

This gets debated alot, I've even heard of people painting the last 11-20 rounds a different color so they stop shooting when they get to the paint and start re-linking again
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Old 08-16-2006, 8:13 PM
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I think that's one of a few that DRH owns.
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i just got my allied armament 1919a4 last week after waiting six weeks. i ended up paying 1325$.my question is can i legaly have the 150 links that it came with as long as i only use 10 at a time.p.s. ohsmily please keep doing what you are doing to your sister and don't bother this thread you spinles sun of a basterd thank you.
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i just got my allied armament 1919a4 last week after waiting six weeks. i ended up paying 1325$.my question is can i legaly have the 150 links that it came with as long as i only use 10 at a time.p.s. ohsmily please keep doing what you are doing to your sister and don't bother this thread you spinles sun of a basterd thank you.

Yea just dont link them more than 10 at a time unless you're in a free state.
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Ahh, I was wondering what that was called!
I saw a little .22 at a recent gun show (Glendale, iirc. I'm bad with names.) that was modeled after a machine gun. Now that I see the pics in this thread, it was definately modeled after a M1919.
It wasn't full size or anything, it was really small. Maybe 12 inches long from handle to muzzle. Not sure how they got away with it, maybe they classed it as a pistol (It was the size of a large-ish pistol. Probably not the size of the SW 500 magnum or anything, but about the size of a long barreled pistol, but not freakishly bulky), or one of those AOW's I've been hearing so much about. It even had the tripod thing.
It was really cool, though probably not all that functional
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Well about 2 years, maybe more, I did mine for $500.
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DRH,
I'll have to tell Scott to come over here and post.

Elandur,
Is this what you were looking at? http://www.lakesideguns.com/title1/17hmr.html These are really neat guns, I know a guy with two of them. He likes to set up his mini M2 next to the big M2.
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