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Old 01-12-2011, 10:15 PM
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Default Best all around target rifle?

I tend to over research purchases, often by months in advance. So, since I eventually want a nice target rifle I might as well start now.

What ever it is I pick, I'll be reloading, so keep this in mind.

Generally I like the SPS 700. However, with so many different rounds available, the default .308 seems bland and not exciting. The .300WSM looks neat, but I have concerns with the barrel life.

There there's all kinds of other rounds from the 6.8x47 to the .338 Lapua, to the .408 Cheytac and .416 Barret.

I'm not sure on the distance, but I figure I'll eventually try and push it as far as the round will allow.

So, what I tend to do with firearms is find a round that I like and then build the firearm around it. So, hopefully with some input from everyone here I can come up with the round I like and then we can figure out what rifle would work best with it.
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Old 01-12-2011, 10:19 PM
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Thats like asking what car is best for racing. The answer is it depends on what you envision as target shooting, your expereince and the realistic distance you intend to shoot most often. The best all around round for learning marksmanship is the 308. Relatively inexpensive compared to say the 300WM, 338LM or 408 CT which alone means more practice which is the key. Also it will reach to 1000 yards if handled properly and is capable of amazing accuracy.
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IMO you really need to decide and let us know the following first.

Budget..
How much are you going to commit to your new rifle? & scope? This answer will help us advise. Example: Good glass (NF NXS) is $1,800+ or Great glass (S&B) at $3k now add in a GAP or = rifle and your up over 5k. (easy)..

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I’ve got a DTA SRS in 300 WM and a 308 laying around http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/shop/ , one of these weekend, shoot me a PM and we’ll head to Angeles.. I’ll put you on steel @ 600 yards on both and can see for yourself, what you do and don't like about the gun / rounds. Personally I like the 300 win, I can load up 160 (s) for my son to shoot or I can load up the 220+ for long range stuff.. I know a few people who have taken the 300 win to 1 mile without to much concern..

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Caprc is another GREAT local reference, http://www.caprc.com/site/Welcome.html you’ll meet guys with every caliber around.. Randal and company do a GREAT job about teaching the newbies the ropes, they have torments at least 1 month at Angeles and you’ll have the opportunity to shoot steel at 1000 yards, whenever you want..

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First you need to decide what type of target shooting you will be doing. Benchrest is different from F class, which is different from Highpower, tactical or silhouette shooting.
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Old 01-13-2011, 6:28 AM
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Just get a .338 lapua if .308win boreds you. I myself prefer .308win, heck I even have fun with a 22lr. .308win can take you out to 1000yards.
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you may be able to buy the beast but you need to ask your self can you afford to keep it fed
.308 http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=192999
.338 http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct...tNumber=416176

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Challenge yourself and build a 26-28" 1x8" twist .223 Rem 700 and shoot out to 1000 right alongside a 308 with 175's
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Get a Remington 700 SPS in a 22-250 round, very accurate out of the box and throw a Nikon scope on there and you will be sitting pretty. Great setup for bench shooting.
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I say get a SPS heavy barrel 26" or 20" and switch out the stock first thing off the bat. Go with a 300WSM unless this is your first rifle go with a .223 or .308. Go with a bushnell 3200 if you on a budget.. and get some high quality scope rings and mounts like Badger ordnance rings and base. Solid set up

But if you dont wanna opt $300 to $600 for a new stock get a SPS tactical which is a decent stock and great shooter for the rice if you wanna have a decent stock to hold you for a little.. SPS and varments and all the other stocks are just ****. You wont get any groups.. All 700's are great shooter only thing that kills them is the stocks..

I build my sps tactical under $1100 and its an amazing shooting. Im ganna do some hand loads this weekend and see what she can do past 600.



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To be an effective shooter at long range take a huge amount of practice. Military snipers can go through thousands of rounds per year, and several barrels (depending on how hard their cartridge is on that barrel) just keeping up their skills. The cost of the rifle will pale in comparison to the cost of shooting it. When I learned to shoot my rifle team would shoot about 100 rounds per week (50 in practice and 50 in competition) which works out to 5000 rounds per year. We were shooting .22LR which cost about $0.02 per round for a total of $100 per year. The barrel life for .22LR is virtually unlimited so we never replaced barrels. .338 Lapua is going to run $5.00 per round if you buy it or perhaps $1-$2 per round if you reload (you are going to have to replace those expensive cases from time to time). So if you shoot half as much as we did on our team, and pay only $1 per round, pretty unrealistic, you will be at $2500 per year for the ammo and maybe another $1000 - $1500 for 2 new barrels (barrel life is about 1500-2000 rounds. So you are looking at a minimum of $3500 per year to stay reasonably good with that rifle. If you don't reload and you shoot more like 100 rounds per weak the cost is going to be over $28,000 per year.

.308, for all it's weaknesses is still completely capable of shooting very well to 1,000 yards. The cost of factory match ammo is as low as $1.00 for Federal Gold Medal (generally considered the best factory ammo), while reloading can be closer to $0.30, since cases are essentially free at most ranges. Also barrel life is closer to 5000- 10,000 rounds, so you total cost for 2,500 rounds per year would be $2,500 using factory ammo and about $800 using reloaded ammo. Every 2-4 years you would need a new barrel.

If you just want a .338 or one of the other super performance magnums then by all means get one, but if you want to be able to target shoot at 1,000 yards then you need to think seriously about what it will cost.

Oh I just remembered, you will also likely want a ballistics program for your computer or phone (Shooter for Android is my favorite and it's $10), a really good spotting scope, and probably a Kestrel weather meter with bluetooth to give you wind, temp. and barometric pressure (although "Shooter" will use your phone's internet connection to pick up the closest weather report).
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Old 01-13-2011, 11:28 AM
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Plus one on the above information..

It’s not cheep!.. But the good new is, you defiantly get what you pay for..

Buy once and cry once, if you can…


Here’s some of the information I went through when I was looking for my baby..

This might help..

Glass reviewed:


• Nightforce
o 3.5-15x50
o 30mm tube
o $2,300.00
o http://nightforceoptics.com/nightfor...5_5-22x56.html

• Schmidt & Bender
o 5-25x56
o 34mm tube
o $3,200.00
o http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/produc...rksman_LP.html

• Zeiss Hensoldt
o 3x12x56
o 34mm tube
o $3,100.00
o http://www.sportoptics.com/zeiss-hen...le-scopes.aspx

• Swarovski
o 5.5-22x50
o 30mm tube
o $3.100.00
o http://www.swarovskioptik.us/en_us/p...-z6i_5-30x50-p



I started out by reviewing the following (top 10) 308 precision rifles that I’m aware of. Just about every builder is guaranteeing a .5 MOA accuracy. These rifles are all around 10 lbs, and have an affective range of 800mm.


Stiller’s Precision Firearms
http://www.viperactions.com




Long Range Rifles
http://www.longrangehunting.com/lrr/lrr-7-dakota.php
Accuracy is Sub .5 MOA
Pricing $3,695.00
Weight is just over 10 lbs




Nesika Tactical Rifle
http://www.nesika.com/Merchant2/merc...Tactical-Rifle
Accuracy is Sub .5 MOA
Pricing $5,500.00
Weight is just under 10 pounds




PGW Defence Technologies (The Coyote) http://pgwdti.com/index.php?option=c...&id=4&Itemid=6
Accuracy is Sub .5 MOA
Pricing $4,800.00




G A Precision (Gladius)
http://www.gaprecision.net/ga-precis...om-rifles.html
Accuracy is .5 MOA
$3,850.00




USMC M40A5
http://www.gaprecision.net/mil-spec-rifles/m40a5.html
Accuracy is .5 Guarantee
Pricing is $3,950.00
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Surgeon rifles (Scalple)
http://www.surgeonrifles.com/product...product_id=205
Accuracy is .5 MOA
$4,433.00




PGM Precision (Ultima Ratio)
http://www.pgmprecision.com/en_US/fusils/ur.html
Accuracy is .5 MOA
Pricing (????) couldn’t find this rifle for sale anywhere?.
Weight 17 Lbs




Desert Tactical Arms (SRS)
http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/sr...conversion-kit
Accuracy is / They had NO guarantee MOA on this rifle..
Pricing $4,860
Weight 11.4 lbs




Accuracy International AE
http://www.accuracyinternational.com/ae_series.php
Accuracy is
Pricing is $3,369.00
Weight 13.4oz
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Now with the 308’s reviewed it was time to turn my attention to the precision rifle’s that are chambered in the 388 Lapua:

This round has an affective range of 1,500 meters, works well on personal and small vehicles. The Average rifle weighs in around 14 lbs, 12-17 lbs is the actual spread.. Ammo is extremely expensive! $70-120 per 20 rds!.. Ouch.. but THANK GOD… you reload.. I looked into it and all of the necessary equipment is available and you can defiantly reload / load this caliber.


Anzio Ironworks Corp (Take-Down)
http://www.anzioironworks.com/338-La...down-rifle.htm
Accuracy is .37 MOA
Pricing is $4,700.00
Weight




Desert Tactical Arms (Stealth Recon Scout)
http://www.deserttacticalarms.com/st...out-srs-338-lm
Accuracy is / They had NO guarantee MOA on this rifle..
Pricing is $4,185.00
Weight is 12.25 lbs




PGW Defence Technologies (Timberwolf Tactical)
http://pgwdti.com/index.php?option=c...&id=1&Itemid=7
Accuracy sub .750 / is plus 90% probability of hitting a chest sized target at 1200M.
Pricing is $6,700.00
Weight is 15 lbs




Accuracy International AW Magnum
http://www.accuracyinternational.com/aw_series.php
http://www.impactguns.com/store/AI-AWSM338.html
Pricing is $5.844.00
Weight is




PGM Precision (PGM - PSR)
http://www.drakeassociates.us/content/pgm338lmpsr
Pricing (????) couldn’t find this rifle for sale anywhere?.




E.D.M. Arms (Windrunner)
http://02bfe1c.netsolhost.com/products/m98.htm
Accuracy is .5 MOA
Pricing is $6,350.00
Weight is
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Barrett 98B (2010 Rifle of the year)
http://www.barrett.net/firearms/model98b
Accuracy is sub 1”
Pricing is $4,200.00
Weight is 12.4 lbs




Blaser Tac 2
http://sgcusa.com/Rifles-Sig-Sauer/c...duct_info.html
Accuracy is sub 1”
Pricing is $4,000.00
Weight is 12.6 lbs



Hope that helps..

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You got some good advice already, but you didn't mention budget. If I were you, save your money till you decide on what type of target shooting you're eventually going to do. There's no all around type target rifle. If you want to shoot competitively, then go to a match of your desired discipline and observe. You'll get plenty of friendly advice plus get to see the other shooter's equipment. If you have a rifle now, practice with it till you get good. Don't waste your money buying a factory rifle and then end up replacing the stock, barrel, trigger and etc. Go custom from the start and pick your components including action; it's not that much more than buying a factory gun and then replacing parts. You'll have a nicer gun and one that you'll appreciate.

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SO lets say a guy wanted to build a 308 target gun for less than 800 bucks.... Reasonable? Or is that not allowing enough money for decent glass?

I myself would like to get a 308 that I can stretch out to 1000 yards on occasion but would more than likely only be out to 500 more often....

What do ya think fellas?

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