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Old 01-01-2012, 2:00 PM
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Can someone not prohibited from owning firearms build a single shot handgun from an 80% receiver? If yes, should he register the gun with CA form FD4542A and pay $19?

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Can someone not prohibited from owning firearms build a single shot handgun from an 80% receiver?
yes. provided that he initially builds it up as a dimensionally-complient roster-exempt single-shot handgun.

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Jack, Thank you for your quick response.

Filing a CA form FD4542A is a voluntary act. If an unregistered homebuilt handgun is found by a law enforcement officer, will that be a problem?

After a homebuilt single shot HG is done, can the owner modify it into a multi shot?

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Jack, Thank you for your quick response.

Filing a CA from FD4542A is a voluntary act. If an unregistered homebuilt handgun is found by a law enforcement officer, will that be a problem?
depends on the situation. for instance, If you are found illegally carrying it concealed and it isn't registered to you, it is a felony. but if it was registrered to you, then it could be a misdemeanor.

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there is nothing in the PC/CCRs that prohibits it, provided you don't create an AW or NFA firearm.
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Did anyone file a CA DOJ Firearm ownership record Form # FD 4542A last year? I would like to know your experience. On a home built single shot, what should we put?

Make – Any name we stamped on the receiver?
Model – Make up a name not on the banned list?
Origin – USA
Barrel length – 6 plus inch
Acquired from – private party?


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Did anyone file a CA DOJ Firearm ownership record Form # FD 4542A last year? I would like to know your experience. On a home built single shot, what should we put?

Make Any name we stamped on the receiver?
Model Make up a name not on the banned list?
Origin USA
Barrel length 6 plus inch
Acquired from private party?


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What are the online out-of-state shops that will ship off-roster handguns directly to CA FFL? Also, do these shops have to first convert the guns themselves before shipping, or can they send a brand new gun and the receiving shop in CA does all the work + transfer?
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I know of someone who voluntarily reg'd their home built handgun, will see if they are willing to speak into this.

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Did anyone file a CA DOJ Firearm ownership record Form # FD 4542A last year? I would like to know your experience. On a home built single shot, what should we put?

Make Any name we stamped on the receiver?
Model Make up a name not on the banned list?
Origin USA
Barrel length 6 plus inch
Acquired from private party?


Thanks,
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What are the online out-of-state shops that will ship off-roster handguns directly to CA FFL? Also, do these shops have to first convert the guns themselves before shipping, or can they send a brand new gun and the receiving shop in CA does all the work + transfer?
Yes, remember though if your receiving FFL doesn't have a AW permit or High Cap Mag Permit the shipping FFL must break down the magazines of greater then 10 rounds or not ship them. In the case of an AW (ie, AR-15 style pistol) the shipping FFL should remove the Upper from the Lower and ship them separately.
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Yes, remember though if your receiving FFL doesn't have a AW permit or High Cap Mag Permit the shipping FFL must break down the magazines of greater then 10 rounds or not ship them. In the case of an AW (ie, AR-15 style pistol) the shipping FFL should remove the Upper from the Lower and ship them separately.
Thanks! Do you know any online shops that will ship unconverted firearms to an FFL here in CA?
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It really depends on the type of firearm... a lot of the big stores have quirky rules, your best bet is to ask.
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hi every one i'm new here in this site and have some question concerning about glock gen 4 i'm a california resident stationed here in texas and i own a glock 22 gen 4 i'm about to moved back in california within a month and i did not see my glock in the roster is it ilegal for me to bring my glock 22 gen 4 to california.
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hi every one i'm new here in this site and have some question concerning about glock gen 4 i'm a california resident stationed here in texas and i own a glock 22 gen 4 i'm about to moved back in california within a month and i did not see my glock in the roster is it ilegal for me to bring my glock 22 gen 4 to california.
You are fine since you already own it. Just bring it into the state and then send off the volreg form with the fee.

Bigger question is how did you buy it if you are a "california resident"? I hope you mean native. And that you got a TX DL while there and purchased it with that. Unless there is some military exemption to out of state sales I'm not aware of, which is totally possible.

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hi every one i'm new here in this site and have some question concerning about glock gen 4 i'm a california resident stationed here in texas and i own a glock 22 gen 4 i'm about to moved back in california within a month and i did not see my glock in the roster is it ilegal for me to bring my glock 22 gen 4 to california.
If you bought it in Texas and are moving back to Ca, you will have 60 days to register it. Since you own it already, you are exempt from the roster.
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i don't have a texas dl but yes i am in the military and the gen 4 that i have is registered here in texas .that is the concern i have cause i heard the gen 4's are illegal in california thank you for the answer.
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i don't have a texas dl but yes i am in the military and the gen 4 that i have is registered here in texas .that is the concern i have cause i heard the gen 4's are illegal in california thank you for the answer.
They are not illegal they simply are not on the approved roster.
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The roster only limits what firearms dealers can transfer, excluding PPTs and exempt people.
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No, the handgun has to be on the roster or exempt. To be exempt there are certain aspects that it has to meet, such as a single shot or single action revolver.
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I'm going to clean up the thread sometime soon - folks, unless your question is DIRECTLY about SSE, please start a new thread.
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A flowchart could be helpful. Thanks

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Flow chart:

Is gun on roster?
If yes -> buy per usual
If no -> single shot exempt

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Hey Guys...Moderators...Gene...Those in the know?!?!

I stopped by a new gun shop that recently opened in Folsom and sked if they had considered doing SSE. They reply was an ADAMANT "no way". They said the ATF was "actively" investigating several shops doing this and about to shut them down, or drag them through lengthy legal battles. I can't find any info related to this and wanteed to see if anyone has heard anything on ATF or DOJ cracking down on the practice. HE said that they were on top of those that were immediately modifying back to roiginal configuration to skirt the laws. Sounded like a lot of FUD, but did not know without researching so did nor want to argue that it was perfectly legal. Any info on dealers being investigated...rightfully or wrongfully...I guess they can really charge anyone they want ot and force them to cough up significant legal fees to prove their innocence. Thanks for any info regarding this.
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Hey Guys...Moderators...Gene...Those in the know?!?!

I stopped by a new gun shop that recently opened in Folsom and asked if they had considered doing SSE. They reply was an ADAMANT "no way". They said the ATF was "actively" investigating several shops doing this and about to shut them down, or drag them through lengthy legal battles. I can't find any info related to this and wanted to see if anyone has heard anything on ATF or DOJ cracking down on the practice. He said that they (ATF/DOJ) were on top of those that were immediately modifying back to original configuration to skirt the laws. Sounded like a lot of FUD...but did not know without researching, so, did not want to argue that it was perfectly legal. Any info on dealers being investigated...rightfully or wrongfully...I guess they can really charge anyone they want to and force them to cough up significant legal fees to prove their innocence. Thanks for any info regarding this.

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Can't address anything specifically (because I don't know anything) but bringing up ATF in this context sets the BS-meter moving. The Roster is a state law, the SSE is an explicit exception to that state law, and ATF is primarily charged with enforcing Federal law.
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I stopped by a new gun shop that recently opened in Folsom and asked if they had considered doing SSE. They reply was an ADAMANT "no way". They said the ATF was "actively" investigating several shops doing this and about to shut them down, or drag them through lengthy legal battles. I can't find any info related to this and wanted to see if anyone has heard anything on ATF or DOJ cracking down on the practice. He said that they (ATF/DOJ) were on top of those that were immediately modifying back to original configuration to skirt the laws. Sounded like a lot of FUD...but did not know without researching, so, did not want to argue that it was perfectly legal. Any info on dealers being investigated...rightfully or wrongfully...I guess they can really charge anyone they want to and force them to cough up significant legal fees to prove their innocence. Thanks for any info regarding this.
I think you either got bad info or have the info crossed up somehow.

The ATF doesn't care about SSE's because these are being done to skirt around the CA Legal Roster BS.

I have talked to the DOJ about this on several different occasions and they are well aware of the things that are happening.

The only way that some FFL's are going to get in trouble is if they are doing something wrong. As far as the SSE goes, it is completely legal and DOJ is OK with it for the present time. They may change the laws to prevent it in the future but I think they are trying to worry about defending themselves over the lawsuits regarding the legal roster.

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Flow chart:

Is gun on roster?
If yes -> buy per usual
If no ----
Is gun a Pistol?
If yes -> single shot exempt
If no ----
Is gun a Revolver?
If yes -> Convert to Single Action Only
If no -> You're probably looking to buy something that can't be exempted.

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I stopped by a new gun shop that recently opened in Folsom and sked if they had considered doing SSE. They reply was an ADAMANT "no way". They said the ATF was "actively" investigating several shops doing this and about to shut them down, or drag them through lengthy legal battles. I can't find any info related to this and wanteed to see if anyone has heard anything on ATF or DOJ cracking down on the practice. HE said that they were on top of those that were immediately modifying back to roiginal configuration to skirt the laws. Sounded like a lot of FUD, but did not know without researching so did nor want to argue that it was perfectly legal. Any info on dealers being investigated...rightfully or wrongfully...I guess they can really charge anyone they want ot and force them to cough up significant legal fees to prove their innocence. Thanks for any info regarding this.
Hello, Newbie here. I've tried to follow the SSE thread closely but may have missed the explanation as to why what is described above as "...immediately modifying back to original configuration..." is not considered "manufacturing" an unsafe handgun within the meaning of PC 32000(a). Is it simply that once a handgun has been brought within the single shot exception ( "...shall not apply to...") that handgun can never again be covered by any provisions of the Section no matter how that gun is later modified, or is that not it?
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Hello, Newbie here. I've tried to follow the SSE thread closely but may have missed the explanation as to why what is described above as "...immediately modifying back to original configuration..." is not considered "manufacturing" an unsafe handgun within the meaning of PC 32000(a). Is it simply that once a handgun has been brought within the single shot exception ( "...shall not apply to...") that handgun can never again be covered by any provisions of the Section no matter how that gun is later modified, or is that not it?
You're not "Manufacturing" anything. You are "modifying" a gun "manufactured" by someone else.
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Hello, Newbie here. I've tried to follow the SSE thread closely but may have missed the explanation as to why what is described above as "...immediately modifying back to original configuration..." is not considered "manufacturing" an unsafe handgun within the meaning of PC 32000(a). Is it simply that once a handgun has been brought within the single shot exception ( "...shall not apply to...") that handgun can never again be covered by any provisions of the Section no matter how that gun is later modified, or is that not it?
Suppose you buy a gun that is on the Roster, and it has a magazine disconnect.

You then remove or disable the magazine disconnect.

That's legal.

Gunsmithing your own gun is legal, so long as you don't manufacture an 'assault weapon' or other actually banned/regulated gun (without all the right paperwork).

Restoring the original parts to a SSE converted handgun is gunsmithing.
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But it is the customer who should be doing the change, not the FFL.
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Old 01-22-2012, 9:32 AM
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But it is the customer who should be doing the change, not the FFL.
The FFL may do the change if the customer has already taken full delivery of the gun. The FFL can not change it back before then.
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Old 01-22-2012, 9:35 AM
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You are fine since you already own it. Just bring it into the state and then send off the volreg form with the fee.

Bigger question is how did you buy it if you are a "california resident"? I hope you mean native. And that you got a TX DL while there and purchased it with that. Unless there is some military exemption to out of state sales I'm not aware of, which is totally possible.
thank you.and yes i am in the military
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Old 01-22-2012, 10:18 AM
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They are not illegal they simply are not on the approved roster.
it is nice to hear that cause i don't want to sell my glock.do i still need to make any changes to my gun like the single shot when i get to california?
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