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Old 07-27-2006, 4:22 PM
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Default Best .308 CA Legal Rifle? M1A?

I am looking to purchase a nice rifle in .308 caliber. With all the legal questions, I would rather avoid the possiblility of a Cali-Fal, PTR, etc...

Which M1A would you get? Socom16, Socom 2, Scout, Full size? I was thinking about the Socom2 series, but am very turned off by the heavy bulky rail (which im not totally convinced is needed for this rifle). However the new extended rail version would allow for some nice optics. Perhaps the socom16, without the rail would be best.

What do you think?
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Old 07-27-2006, 4:24 PM
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Scout

The scout will be my next .308 purchase.
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I would say the best M1A to get would be one built about 25-30 years ago as the ones ive seen that have been mfg lately have a quality of scrap metal.

Im heading to the reno show this weekend I know a man that sells NOS M1A's.
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I have 5 308 rifles 2 bolt action one lever action and 2 semi autos I like the M1A the best.
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Scout model!

Even though I own real FAL's, HK's, an Uzi, an AK, and a stable of AR-15's...my M1A is still my SHTF gun.

If I had not invested so much in it...it would be my truck gun.
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If you can stand to wait, I'd suggest that you order a 18" M14S from LRB Arms. By all accounts, the receivers are the best that money can buy right now. Aside from the receiver, barrel, and the muzzle brake (the GI flash hider isn't legal here), everything on the LRB rifles is low to moderage mileage USGI.

The Smith compensator might be loud, but it works really really well to control muzzle climb.
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I am looking to purchase a nice rifle in .308 caliber. With all the legal questions, I would rather avoid the possiblility of a Cali-Fal, PTR, etc...

Which M1A would you get? Socom16, Socom 2, Scout, Full size? I was thinking about the Socom2 series, but am very turned off by the heavy bulky rail (which im not totally convinced is needed for this rifle). However the new extended rail version would allow for some nice optics. Perhaps the socom16, without the rail would be best.

What do you think?
Buddy of mine has the SOCOM II. I hate the thing. It is WAY too front heavy. I guess the big question you need to ask yourself is if you plan on using the rifle for anything but benchrest shooting. If not, and you want the tactical look than the SOCOM II is for you, with a bipod of course.
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I prefer the FAL over the M14. If the FAL was a pistol gripped detachable mag rifle and not the neutered fixed 10 rounder.

The M14 is a "target" rifle, the FAL is a battle rifle....

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I prefer the FAL over the M14. If the FAL was a pistol gripped detachable mag rifle and not the neutered fixed 10 rounder.

The M14 is a "target" rifle, the FAL is a battle rifle....

Flame suit on.......

Word... I agree 100%...

http://www.falfiles.com/forums/showt...threadid=68486


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I prefer the FAL over the M14. If the FAL was a pistol gripped detachable mag rifle and not the neutered fixed 10 rounder.

The M14 is a "target" rifle, the FAL is a battle rifle....

Flame suit on......
The M14 is a select fire military issue rifle that is still issued BTW and the
actual FN FAL was also a select fire rifle see pics below my old select fire FN FAL the FAL'S that have been imported since 1979 or so are 99% semi auto versions of the actual FN FAL

and the M1A was the SemiAuto version of the M14 military rifle.





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And below is one of the california legal FN FAL rifles although nowhere on the receiver is FN FAL stamped







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The M14 is a select fire military issue rifle that is still issued
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and the M1A was the SemiAuto version of the M14 military rifle.
Wrong....The M14 came in both select fire and semi. The M1A is what Springfield Armory calls their M14....Everyone else calls their M14's ...M14s.

And I think the discussion was one which of the rifles were better, the M14 or the FAL.

Here's my baby...not as nicely shot as yours...but it serves it purpose.

Here it is in it's "heavy configuration" (9.2 pounds)


Here it is in it's light configuration (8 pounds)


Here it is in it's 9mm Sten configuration

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Im just going by what the military calls them not what fulton calls theirs.

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Nice kicks, Sam....

Try cropping the pics...

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Im just going by what the military calls them not what fulton calls theirs.
Sam, the only one that makes M1A's are springfield. Everyone else makes M14's. I'll have to post pics of my Chineses M14...Fine weapon...but a little heavy and not suited for "dirty work". Read the story of "Ol' Dirty" I think at last count it was about 15,000 rounds with no cleaning.

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I would rather avoid the possiblility of a Cali-Fal, PTR, etc...
*sigh*

Nevermind.
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Sam, the only one that makes M1A's are springfield. Everyone else makes M14's. I'll have to post pics of my Chineses M14...Fine weapon...but a little heavy and not suited for "dirty work". Read the story of "Ol' Dirty" I think at last count it was about 15,000 rounds with no cleaning.
Well since the M14 was a military designation and M1A was not and the first M14 was select fire.

Do you understand my reasoning The military M14 was first IE original and everything after that was semi so IF they want to call their rifle a M14 thats pretty stupid don't you think. does this not make sence to you.

You dont see after market companies that make the AR series semi auto weapon calling it a M16 do you ?



Hey wheres you safety sear?

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If you want a magazine fed weapon in .308, M1A/m-14 is definately the choice in PRK. FAL, PTR91 what-so-ever are good weapon when they are detachable mag; but if I have to use fix magazine I'd rather buy a SKS, at least reload the weapon is faster.

As for which M1A to get, people have their opinion on who makes the best M1A/M-14 type of rifle. It's up to you on how much you want to spend. Just focus on the type of rifle; if you want to use the rifle for SHTF/CQB type of work, go with the Scout or SOCOM/SOCOM II type. Even the Standard 22" barrel model is not too bad of a choice as long as you don't mind the longer barrel. If all you care about is target shooting/benchrest, at least get the Loaded package, or above (National Match, Super Match, etc).
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Old 07-27-2006, 6:39 PM
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Hey wheres you safety sear?

heheh
Safety Sear??? We don't need no stinking Safety Sear.

If the poster is limited to a only a 308 detachable mag rifle, the M14 will fill the bill perfectly. If he's on a limited budget, stick with the SKS.... At a carbine match once, there were 3 ARs, 1 M14, 2 Keltecs all of which experienced at least one jam. Only semi guns that did not jam was the guy with the Garand and the other guy with the SKS...go figure.

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Unfortunately what makes the M1A a blast is the 20 round shoulder busting magazines. If you were very clever you might have put some away for this day.



The FAL is really fun with a fixed ten round magazine and a stripper clip upper. I can charge the ten round magazine faster while laying prone than I can swap out magazines.



And depending on what you're going to do with the rifle/weapon there's nothing wrong with a nice accurate bolt-action rifle.
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If you're looking for a Cali legal 308 semi-auto military clone rifle, the M1A/ civilian M14 clone and the DSA Cali-legal SA-58 are your best choice. If I were you, I'd look for a Poly-tech M14S for $800 +/- and shoot the cr@p out of it until the headspace goes to pot and then send to Warbird - http://www.warbirdscustomguns.com - for his world-famous USGI bolt conversion. Good luck.
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Well since the M14 was a military designation and M1A was not and the first M14 was select fire.

Do you understand my reasoning The military M14 was first IE original and everything after that was semi so IF they want to call their rifle a M14 thats pretty stupid don't you think. does this not make sence to you.
The military gets both select fire and semi auto M14s. They can order them however they want.
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The military gets both select fire and semi auto M14s. They can order them however they want.

Actually they are ALL F/A, some have an armorer lockout on the selector lever shaft...


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I have both.
The problem with PRK FAL is you are going to have problem finding any high power scope greater than 4x that will allow you to feed from the stripper clip guide. As a carbine, that's more than enough (I like my Elcan on FAL). For longer range shooting with longer barrels, 4x may not be what you want but be what you are stucked with if you want to use the stripper clip guide.
Also, with M1A or M14, you can modify your stock to a better LOP for your need. Both of the above rifles have 16" barrels but the SOCOM with LAW483 tail stock has a significant shorter overall length than the FAL.

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Both of the above rifles have 16" barrels but the SOCOM with LAW483 tail stock has a significant shorter overall length than the FAL.
Your M1A is pretty sweet. What stock is that you have on there? Is it some kind of Sage/LAW483 Combo?
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Actually they are ALL F/A, some have an armorer lockout on the selector lever shaft...


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The supermatch would be my pick in marine camo and kruger SS barrel.
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Both of the above rifles have 16" barrels but the SOCOM with LAW483 tail stock has a significant shorter overall length than the FAL.
That FAL doesn't have a 16" BBL... Im confused what you mean...

*edit*

Nevermind, I see its got a short gas system, but still it looks longer than 16"


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The military gets both select fire and semi auto M14s. They can order them however they want.
Thats odd there is no mention in the M14 TM about a semi auto.
care to produce evidence to substantiate such a claim?
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If you want something different, there is always the HK SL7s. Nice handling and no restrictions. Or the HK 770 for more of a sporting gun. They both take mags and use the same roller locker in the 91 series.

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Do you understand my reasoning The military M14 was first IE original and everything after that was semi so IF they want to call their rifle a M14 thats pretty stupid don't you think. does this not make sence to you.

You dont see after market companies that make the AR series semi auto weapon calling it a M16 do you ?
So what would you call a rewelded M14 in semi?

The receivers say Winchester or H&R M14 right on them....
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Thats odd there is no mention in the M14 TM about a semi auto.
care to produce evidence to substantiate such a claim?
Don't they use the M25 rifle? That's basically a semi-auto M14 with a scope and polymer stock, isn't it? I've seen pics of it in action in Iraq. I've also seen open-sight M14s.

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Don't they use the M25 rifle? That's basically a semi-auto M14 with a scope and polymer stock, isn't it? I've seen pics of it in action in Iraq. I've also seen open-sight M14s.
Its a standard NM M14 with a selector switch lock out the armorer puts in place.



From "Different"'s web site (he's an AUTHORITY on M14s...trust me)

http://www.alpharubicon.com/leo/m14typeriflesd.htm

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no mention of an ar10???
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So what would you call a rewelded M14 in semi?

The receivers say Winchester or H&R M14 right on them....
FYI USGI M14 receivers are forged 8200 series steel. Springfield and Armscorp are investment castings. Smith and LRB have both billet and forged receivers. USGI M14's comes with selector shaft on the receiver(see receiver pic).

xeno, is that a springfield bm59 or from a parts kit?
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Man, other than more rare mags, the BM59 is the bees-knees in my mind.


Im having West Texas Armory build me an M1 Tanker right now.... Someday I'll prolly have it converted to BM59 when I get some $$$ saved...



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i only know is what i shoot and im impressed with my M1A. hitting a gong 70% of the time at 500 yards works for me.
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