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Old 04-15-2014, 12:00 PM
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Angry Glock 19 and Hornady Critical defense jams....

I bought a few boxes of Hornady Critical Defense for my 9mm G19.
I took it for a test shooting since it would be my home defense ammo. Good thing I did because every round I hand racked to chamber would hang on the feed ramp.
My buddy tried it out on his G17 and had no issues at all...
I think the angle on the G19 feed ramps cause the gel inserts on the hollow point to stick and not chamber..

Anyone else experience this?

P.S I am now a firm believer of always testing your defense ammo. ALWAYS!
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:03 PM
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Wow...damn good thing you made sure your home defense rounds are reliable in your firearm. What Gen glock 19 do you have? I have an older G19 gen 3 but the 2 pin one and it has no problems with those rounds.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:32 PM
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Did it happen with all the mags or just one? Did you try his mags in your gun. I've personally never had any problems with any polymer tipped rounds, but hey there is a first for everything.
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Old 04-15-2014, 12:36 PM
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Happens. This is exactly why we test our loads first. The best most expensive rounds in the world are worthless if they don't feed. My defense loads must fire flawlessly for 100 rounds. Expensive to test but worth the peace of mind.

You can either try and fix the problem or just buy another round. I'd look for another round.
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My G19 feeds Critical Defense with no problems. However, my Kahr PM9 won't feed a single round of Critical Defense.
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Must be user error. Glocks are perfection. All kidding aside, how are you hand racking the gun? You might need to try the slingshot method so momentum will overcome any sticking point.
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Check your followers. This is a known issue with 10 round G19 magazines. If your followers are 2183 you'll want to call Glock and get the "9mm3" followers.
Link: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-741410.html
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Smart man to thoroughly test your #@%& out... I want you on my team!

Sorry, no help with your G19 issue, but... While Hornady Critical Defense is good stuff, you might check out Critical Duty.
Different bullet, so it might make a difference in your G19. I run it my G17 Gen4 without any issues. Check it out:


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Check your followers. This is a known issue with 10 round G19 magazines. If your followers are 2183 you'll want to call Glock and get the "9mm3" followers.
Link: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-741410.html
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call glock and have the m send you 9mm #3 followers. problem solved
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P.S I am now a firm believer of always testing your defense ammo. ALWAYS!
Always! And retest periodically. I run a mag or two through both my carry guns every couple of months ... just to make sure and keep my confidence at 100%
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Old 04-15-2014, 4:18 PM
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Happens. This is exactly why we test our loads first. The best most expensive rounds in the world are worthless if they don't feed. My defense loads must fire flawlessly for 100 rounds. Expensive to test but worth the peace of mind.

You can either try and fix the problem or just buy another round. I'd look for another round.
Agreed on all points. Hollowpoint are odd-shaped so they just don't feed like FMJ. Try another brand.

Funny thing is that they feed fine in my Gen4 G19 ... I think ... heck, you just gave me an excuse to go to the range to find out.
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Check your followers. This is a known issue with 10 round G19 magazines. If your followers are 2183 you'll want to call Glock and get the "9mm3" followers.
Link: http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/a.../t-741410.html
This. Thanks for the reminder, I need 3 more 9mm#3 followers. 2138 followers are utter junk.

My G19 Gen3 ate Critical Defense FTX no problem when I first got her, but causes failure to feed with Golden Sabers and various JHP, on the last round with the old follower. Since, I have swapped all followers to 9mm#3. No problems.

I prefer Gold Dots, Federal HST, and Ranger-T Bonded.
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Why do people run anything other than Federal HST? Not being sarcastic.... Haven't ballistic tests shown the Fedral HST to be superior to almost anything? Is there some advantage to using the FTX in your specific situation?
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Old 04-15-2014, 8:26 PM
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First thing to check is your magazine springs. Not the Follower!
Sounds like your follower is taking a nose dive, meaning springs are week and needs replacing.
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I had the same problem with my G19. Call glock and get the 9mm3 followers. It's a known issue with the 10 round mags.
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Smart man to thoroughly test your #@%& out... I want you on my team!

Sorry, no help with your G19 issue, but... While Hornady Critical Defense is good stuff, you might check out Critical Duty.
Different bullet, so it might make a difference in your G19. I run it my G17 Gen4 without any issues. Check it out:

I've had the complete opposite experience between critical defense and critical duty in my p226. The sharper angle on the critical duty's nose would cause a ftf on every other round but the defense feeds fine.

Though I currently have ranger t's in my HD gun.

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I've had the complete opposite experience between critical defense and critical duty in my p226. The sharper angle on the critical duty's nose would cause a ftf on every other round but the defense feeds fine.

Though I currently have ranger t's in my HD gun.

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^^^ Interesting and good to know...

Onlyincali above jogged my memory that I've been wanting to give Federal HST a run, and after viewing this review posted yesterday (this guy's posting some good stuff)
on the 147gr HST thru a 3" barrel, I'm thinking it may be a good fit for my new S&W Shield. Just placed an order. Thanks Guys!

BTW... The Hornady Critical Duty didn't do well in his tests. Critical Defense performed much better.


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Old 04-16-2014, 5:24 AM
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200 Rounds of 124gr HST thru my SR9c...zero issues
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Sorry to hear but I haven't had any issues with either Critical Defense or Gold Sabers.
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Crit defense is junk. Get hst or gold dot or the +p crit duty. Also when you say "hand rack" make sure you are fully drawing back your slide and letting your hand hit you in the chest because you pulled it so hard.
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Old 04-16-2014, 8:41 AM
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Too bad. I like critical defense out of short barrel guns, from a lot of the testing I have seen one of the better loads for ~3" guns.
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Yes, it happened in both mags. I guess it could be the follower. I'll give glock a call and see what they have to say about it! It's a scary thought just thinking what could've happened if I had this problem in a life or death situation.. Thanks for the help guys!
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I bought a few boxes of Hornady Critical Defense for my 9mm G19.
I took it for a test shooting since it would be my home defense ammo. Good thing I did because every round I hand racked to chamber would hang on the feed ramp.
My buddy tried it out on his G17 and had no issues at all...
I think the angle on the G19 feed ramps cause the gel inserts on the hollow point to stick and not chamber..

Anyone else experience this?

P.S I am now a firm believer of always testing your defense ammo. ALWAYS!
When you racked the slide to chamber the first round, did you slowly guide the slide back into battery or did you release the slide and let it fly? When testing ammo, I usually lock the slide back and use the slide release to chamber the first round just to eliminate any human error.
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Some firearms don't like certain ammo. Doesn't matter the manufacturer. If you stumble across some combination that doesn't work together, change the ammo to something else. Like others have said, all my firearms have to shoot several boxes of the specific ammo flawlessly before they get selected for self defense.
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Some firearms don't like certain ammo. Doesn't matter the manufacturer. If you stumble across some combination that doesn't work together, change the ammo to something else. Like others have said, all my firearms have to shoot several boxes of the specific ammo flawlessly before they get selected for self defense.
^^ This!!! I don't understand why people think their gun has a problem just because it doesn't like a particular brand/model of ammo, but runs everything else.

Sure, if you have problems with several types of off the shelf ammo, then you likely have a problem. Even if you fiddle-fart around and get it to work, I'd never feel comfortable with it for HD/SD. It's just too easy to find other ammo that will work 100%
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Never tried Critical Defense but did I put 100 rounds of Critical Duty through my gen3 G19 using two mags - both with the original 2183 followers - with no issues.
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When you racked the slide to chamber the first round, did you slowly guide the slide back into battery or did you release the slide and let it fly? When testing ammo, I usually lock the slide back and use the slide release to chamber the first round just to eliminate any human error.
I tried both.. Slide release and by letting the slide fly forward.
When it jammed up, I would have to tap the back of the slide to get it to chamber.
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i'd say just try different ammo. shot hornady but i prefer buffalo bore in my glock 17 and 30
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The followers or something else is off. That Glock should feed that stuff with no issue.
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I'm old and I miss some things, but I never saw where the OP's
Glock 19 failed while actually firing the Critical Defense. I wouldn't judge an ammo from just cycling a round by hand. Did the OP come to their conclusion by just "riding the slide home" or just using the slide lock to release the slide? If so, there's good possibility that he or she will be back here saying the same thing about Gold Dot, Ranger, HST or any other major defensive ammo he might later try. How about shooting a box of Critical Defense first and letting us know?

(And I hope the OP has a good backstop or is at a range when he/she is conducting these experiments. Flame me if you want, but I wouldn't want to be living next door to or below someone testing out loading and unloading their gun. Sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings).
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Can't say I have hired to critical defense round ever but I have fired the critical duty round from my Glock 19 with no feed error. it might be the mag.
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posting for reference regarding the followers.

op - i know this doesn't help in your particular case aside from possible peace of mind once the issue gets resolved, but i've seen a few gen3 g19s with 10rd magazines, both older and newer ones (so probably a mix of follower types), feed critical defense with no problem.
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I had the same problem happen to me with ball ammo and hd rounds. I called Glock and they sent me the 9mm3 followers which cleared up the ball ammo issue, but would still hang up the hd rounds. I wound up bending the nose of the mag spring up to keep the nose of the follower from dropping. It has functioned flawlessly since. Hope this helps someone out there.
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Some firearms don't like certain ammo. Doesn't matter the manufacturer.
This particular problem is very well-known with the Glock 19 and its poorly-designed 10-round magazines. There are many threads here and elsewhere about this problem. Many people reported that replacing the magazine followers solves the problem, but it hasn't been successful for everyone. Another solution is to use the standard 15-round magazines, if you've owned them for the past fifteen years. Or, purchase 15-round magazines and install blocks which limit them to 10 rounds.
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sorry to bump an old *** thread, part of me wants to dig up all the hundreds of these threads and bump them all up

I have a bone stock, completely untouched G19 getting repeated FTF time after time with Federal HST 124gr

Part of me wants to diagnose the problem but I almost think a bigger part of me wants to sell BOTH my G19s and go to a different platform.....hows the SP2022 compare to the "perfection"
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Please elaborate on what you are specifically experiencing.

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sorry to bump an old *** thread, part of me wants to dig up all the hundreds of these threads and bump them all up

I have a bone stock, completely untouched G19 getting repeated FTF time after time with Federal HST 124gr

Part of me wants to diagnose the problem but I almost think a bigger part of me wants to sell BOTH my G19s and go to a different platform.....hows the SP2022 compare to the "perfection"
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I wish there were details to elaborate on but its unfortunately simple

gun + bullet + trigger pull = maybe the slide closes on return or maybe it doesnt
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Sounds like you should either get new followers for your 10-round mags or order some 10/15 mags.
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I wish there were details to elaborate on but its unfortunately simple

gun + bullet + trigger pull = maybe the slide closes on return or maybe it doesnt
So there is a round in the chamber and the gun does not discharge? "maybe the slide closes on return or maybe it doesn't" would sound like it did discharge.
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