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Old 12-23-2010, 7:10 AM
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Default PVI's Response To AB 962 Question

CG'ers,

Sent an e-mail asking PVI about shipping components after 2/01/11 (I have talked to one vendor that claims they will not ship handgun projectiles to CA after 2/01/11.) - here is their (PVI's) response:

John,

We are keeping an eye on this issue.
As of this time we will plan to continue shipping all components to California.
There have been several actions in process to clarify things but nothing concrete has developed.

Thanks

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I, of course, said I was glad to hear this since I have been a regular customer of PVI's since I got back into reloading.

Happy Holidays,
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Why would there be any question about components being shipped here after AB962 goes into effect? It was my understanding it only affected finished handgun ammo?
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Some businesses rather just do away with ca customers all together than deal with our silly laws.
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CheaperThanDirt is one of those who has, with regard to *any* ammo, not just handgun ammo. And I can't say I blame 'em.

The long-term solution to this EVIL "AB 962" is to get it overturned and then vote in politicians who actually believe in the Constitution. The short-term solution? GET SET UP FOR RELOADING.
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Tyranny begins with creeping incrementalism - they get away with this, then rifle ammo is the next step. Pretty soon, we are Mexico.
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Why would there be any question about components being shipped here after AB962 goes into effect? It was my understanding it only affected finished handgun ammo?
Here's an excerpt from the bill:

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(2) For purposes of this subdivision, "ammunition" shall include,
but not be limited to, any bullet, cartridge, magazine, clip, speed
loader, autoloader, or projectile capable of being fired from a
firearm with a deadly consequence. "Ammunition" does not include
blanks.
Projectiles (including bullets) are included in the bill. Whether this means, "Bullets specifically designed for handgun ammunition", or "Bullets that can can be used in handgun ammunition", I don't know.

I was at Bass Pro Shops this past weekend, and asked what their stance will be regarding components. Their response was basically "we don't know yet. We're having a meeting about it in a couple weeks".

They hinted that there's a possibility that they may handle it similar to how they handle 22LR:

If the purchaser is under 21: "Is this for handgun or rifle?"

Handgun: "I'm sorry. I can't sell these to you."
Rifle: "Here you go. Have a nice day."

I'm a procrastinator. I currently only own long guns, but I certainly plan on owning handguns in the future. I reload, and have only now been really looking into this issue. I guess I was just being hopeful that the bill would be beaten and gone by now. That said, I just picked up a bunch of components.

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CheaperThanDirt is one of those who has, with regard to *any* ammo, not just handgun ammo. And I can't say I blame 'em.

The long-term solution to this EVIL "AB 962" is to get it overturned and then vote in politicians who actually believe in the Constitution. The short-term solution? GET SET UP FOR RELOADING.


Well the reloading thing now scares me a bit.


I just spent a SHID load of money on brand new reloading equipment and to hear there is even a possibility that handgun components could be banned really bothers me.

I mean the entire AB962 bothers me, but that is why I purchased reloading equipment.

Oh well, if that happens I will just have to make out of state runs for reloading supplies. save up enough money where I can purchase enough powder, primers, brass and bullets for at least 5000 rounds.

This crap sucks
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Well the reloading thing now scares me a bit.


I just spent a SHID load of money on brand new reloading equipment and to hear there is even a possibility that handgun components could be banned really bothers me.

I mean the entire AB962 bothers me, but that is why I purchased reloading equipment.

Oh well, if that happens I will just have to make out of state runs for reloading supplies. save up enough money where I can purchase enough powder, primers, brass and bullets for at least 5000 rounds.

This crap sucks
AB-962 isn't about banning anything. Simply making it harder to get things. Specifically handgun ammo and certain components, like bullets. You'll have to purchase these in face-to-face transactions that will require you to show ID, provide fingerprint, etc.

No more buying ammo, or even bullets online.

Since this bill is handgun specific, it would make it difficult to force FTF powder transactions, since many powders are used for both handgun & shotshell loads, and this bill doesn't affect components or ammo for long guns...but I wouldn't be surprised if there's another bill already in the works that restricts rifle/shotshell ammo/components.
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AB-962 isn't about banning anything. Simply making it harder to get things. Specifically handgun ammo and certain components, like bullets. You'll have to purchase these in face-to-face transactions that will require you to show ID, provide fingerprint, etc.

No more buying ammo, or even bullets online.

Since this bill is handgun specific, it would make it difficult to force FTF powder transactions, since many powders are used for both handgun & shotshell loads, and this bill doesn't affect components or ammo for long guns...but I wouldn't be surprised if there's another bill already in the works that restricts rifle/shotshell ammo/components.
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Wait... I don't remember seeing any discussion of the Handgun Ammo Ban including a ban on reloading components. Does this law (AB962) prevent mail/internet order of reloading projectiles?
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Wait... I don't remember seeing any discussion of the Handgun Ammo Ban including a ban on reloading components. Does this law (AB962) prevent mail/internet order of reloading projectiles?
See post # 7.

The bill makes it mandatory for the sale of "Handgun Ammunition" to be face-to-face, with the purchaser providing ID, thumb-print, and personal information.

You can't complete an internet/mail-order transaction face-to-face.
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See post # 7.

The bill makes it mandatory for the sale of "Handgun Ammunition" to be face-to-face, with the purchaser providing ID, thumb-print, and personal information.

You can't complete an internet/mail-order transaction face-to-face.
ummm ups already does adult id/ proof, so why cant we? search the 2a forum, there is much discussion there, and a lawsuit or 2 somehwere
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ummm ups already does adult id/ proof, so why cant we? search the 2a forum, there is much discussion there, and a lawsuit or 2 somehwere
UPS doesn't do thumbprints, and UPS is not the ammunition vendor.

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This bill would, subject to exceptions, commencing February 1,
2011, require handgun ammunition vendors to obtain a thumbprint and
other information from ammunition purchasers, as specified. A
violation of these provisions would be a misdemeanor.
Don't get me wrong. I don't want this law as much as anyone else, and I'm currently buying up as many handgun components as I can before the deadline...and I don't even own any handguns! I'm trying to get clarification as well.

PLEASE prove me wrong. I would absolutely LOVE to be wrong in this instance.
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We will have a final ruling in the NRA/CRPA challenge to the face-to-face and registration/thumbprint requirements BEFORE February 1st. The case is moving forward at light speed to make sure that happens. The case will be ruled on by January 18th or a few days from then.

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OOIDA_v._Lindley
Parker v California
State Ammunition v Lindley

and new threads here which may have these cases in the title.
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Thanks for the update. One would hope common sense prevails.

Why did Arnold sign this? Austria was taken over by the Nazis riding bicycles - and the Nazis were wecomed with thunderous applause. Makes you wonder what side of the fence the Schwarzenegger family was really on,
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Why did Arnold sign this? Austria was taken over by the Nazis riding bicycles - and the Nazis were wecomed with thunderous applause. Makes you wonder what side of the fence the Schwarzenegger family was really on,
That's a bit of a stretch there trying to connect the two...............especially since Arnold was born after the war ended and never saw a Nazi.

But to feed your conspiracies (FOX news watcher?) Arnold's father was a policeman and was in the German Army!

And for what it's worth, here was Powder Valley's answer to my query as to their continued sales of components:

Bob,
As you have stated and as we understand the legislation in it’s current form it is applicable to cartridges only.

We will continue to ship components to California until there is an application to components.

Thanks,
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killshot44,

You should do your homework before you reply - here's some quick history for you:

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Schwarzenegger was born in Thal, Austria, a small village bordering the Styrian capital Graz, and was christened Arnold Alois Schwarzenegger.[3] His parents were the local police chief Gustav Schwarzenegger (1907–1972) and Aurelia Jadrny (1922–1998). His father served in World War II with the German Army as a Hauptfeldwebel of the Feldgendarmerie and was discharged in 1943 after contracting malaria. They were married on October 20, 1945 – Gustav was 38, and Aurelia was a 23-year-old widow with a son named Meinhard. According to Schwarzenegger, both of his parents were very strict: "Back then in Austria it was a very different world, if we did something bad or we disobeyed our parents, the rod was not spared."[4] He grew up in a Roman Catholic family who attended church service every Sunday.[5][6]

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You can bet your boots he knew plenty about German history and Nazi's.

Do you understand what the German Army means? Is that just a 'nice way' to say Nazi? There is no conspiracy here. You can watch Fox news all you want. This is fact my friend. If you think otherwise or you think this is conspiracy speak - you are sadly mistaken, misinformed, and don't have a good grip on history yourself.

Do you know what happened in Austria in WWII?

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