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Old 07-22-2006, 2:14 AM
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Default Rhineland Arms AR57

Is this thing legal in CA?? Looks pretty hot... it fits on a standard AR lower without mod!! Uses mag well as ejection port. Pretty COOL!



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Old 07-22-2006, 6:40 AM
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Would be legal with no pistol grip and a 10rd magazine...


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Old 07-22-2006, 7:20 AM
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Where is the mag located if the mag well serves as the ejection port ?
On the upper receiver, riding horizontal with the barrel assembly like a FN-P90.
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Old 07-22-2006, 8:11 AM
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Whats to stop someone from attaching a standard barreled upper receiver and tossing in a standard mag ?

This in my opinion is the only thing that would make it illegal unless the lower that is used is somehow modified so it cannot accept a magazine into the mag well.
This is a question for the DOJ on Aug16th. If we can proof that a legit 10 round magazine fed semi auto rifle can be made with the lower they will have to address the issue.
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Old 07-22-2006, 9:07 PM
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rhineland is supposedly making a rifle that takes the 5.7 round using the pistol mags. and supposedly it should be cali legal.

on the other hand the FN website does state that a 10rd mag is available where necessary for the p90, so that upper MAY be available to us.
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Old 07-22-2006, 9:16 PM
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As pictured, it would be a no-go.

You would need to remove the pistol grip, the flash hider, and put a fixed stock on it. Then I think it would be OK with 10 round mags as long as the barrel is at least 16 inches.
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Old 07-22-2006, 9:22 PM
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this is one where the SRB comes in handy. never shot the rifle but the pistol has very little recoil so im guessing that this may be a fun little item.
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Yeah, it's all fine and dandy looking...

But I'd want to read a lot of reviews from owners before even considering it... it is Rhineland Arms we're talking about. Nice guys, but their R22 is nothing but problems...
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Yeah, it's all fine and dandy looking...

But I'd want to read a lot of reviews from owners before even considering it... it is Rhineland Arms we're talking about. Nice guys, but their R22 is nothing but problems...
I havent had any problems w/ my R22 but one of my Eagle highcaps dont work in it.

The P90 does have 10 rounders, CWS has them for sale on the website.
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how much for the 10rd mags?
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how much for the 10rd mags?
They say "If you have to ask then its too much" j/k

www.coldwarshooters.com

I think they are $75
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$75 your right too too much
doesn't seem like a fun little toy after all.
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$75 your right too too much
doesn't seem like a fun little toy after all.
It wont be fun because they magazine is spendy? The ammo is around 40 cents a peice and Im guessing that upper will run more than $600.

If you already shoot the 5.7x28 then this is a neat setup but it isnt a SKS.
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No ejection port then.

What that single shot lower would be good with is a belt fed AR upper.

And the only 5.56 belt fed upper I know of is the Ares. And they have been in "testing stages" for over 4 years now.
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Actually the upper would consider as the receiver correct? IIRC, it is the part that can accept the magazine is the receiver, which must be registered.
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well it is sunday
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Actually the upper would consider as the receiver correct? IIRC, it is the part that can accept the magazine is the receiver, which must be registered.
No I do not believe so. Can you show anything to back that up?
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With AR series rifles and the modified uppers, like that AR57 and the Shrike, the lower receiver is still the part with the serial number.
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in the case of the single shot upper, It cannot accept a mag so does it take a FFL to purchase that item ?
Yes, it is the registered part.

The upper (regardless of it being a belt fed) is not considered a firearm and hence no registration.
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rhineland is supposedly making a rifle that takes the 5.7 round using the pistol mags. and supposedly it should be cali legal.
rhineland has said that the kali-legal rifle is having problems.

http://fivesevenforum.com/forums/sho...5&page=8&pp=10

see post #78.
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Old 07-24-2006, 7:58 PM
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They need to make one that takes regular M16 mags from the side that feeds into the upper receiver. This way we don't need no stinkin pistol grip.
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