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Old 12-09-2010, 9:24 PM
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Default Powder choice for 9mm 124gr load

I've just started to get into the reloading world and I'm looking for some suggestions on powder choice for a good starting load. I'm going to be loading for 9mm using either Zero or Montana Gold 124gr FMJ bullets, and I'm looking for something that is economical and will work for target and range loads. I've narrowed it down to the following powders:

Accurate #2
Accurate #5
Hodgdon HP-38
Hodgdon HS-6
Hodgdon Titegroup

From what I've gathered, #2, HP38, and Titegroup seem to be the most economical as far as charge weight is concerned, but #5 and HS-6 are faster burning and better for warmer loads (correct me if I'm wrong here). I'd like to be able to use the chosen powder for .38 Special as well if possible since I'm planning to reload that too. I know reloading is a lot about experimenting with load combinations, but I'm just looking for a good starting point and some base recommendations. Thanks!
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Old 12-09-2010, 9:28 PM
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HP-38 and Winchester 231 are the same powder, just different packaging.

Titegroup worked for me.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:34 PM
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From what I've gathered, #2, HP38, and Titegroup seem to be the most economical as far as charge weight is concerned, but #5 and HS-6 are faster burning and better for warmer loads (correct me if I'm wrong here).
Think you're a little backwards. The word "faster" in reference to powder is burn rate, not velocity. In general, the powder with a lower max load listed will be slower than a powder with a higher max load listed.
Accurate #2, Red Dot and TiteGroup all have pretty similar burn rates.
Accurate #5 is slower than #2 by a good amount, and HS-6 is even slower still. This will generally produce a higher velocity in a longer barrel, but in a short barrel, it will create low velocities and lots of flash.
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Old 12-09-2010, 10:58 PM
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Thanks for the correction, I though I might have the burn rate thing backwards. So, would #2, HP38/231, or Titegroup all work equally well out of a 3.9-4.4 inch barrel?
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I loaded and shot 10's of thousand of rounds of 124 fmj and plated 9mm over 4.4gr of W231. Soft recoil yet cycles every 9mm I own without issue.
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I like Titegroup, I believe I am running 4.3gr with a 124gr JHP - Montana Gold
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Old 12-09-2010, 11:48 PM
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I loaded and shot 10's of thousand of rounds of 124 fmj and plated 9mm over 4.4gr of W231. Soft recoil yet cycles every 9mm I own without issue.
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I like Titegroup, I believe I am running 4.3gr with a 124gr JHP - Montana Gold
Thanks for the info guys.
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I've used 231 since1980, used some Bullseye products too.
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i use Accurate # 7 and it work great burns clean and groups good
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HP-38 and Winchester 231 are the same powder, just different packaging.

Titegroup worked for me.
If you're not traveling much, this is your powder.

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I use HP-38/231 for 9mm, .45acp and 44 special, works great for plinking loads.
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I love the performance of HS-6 but it gave my Dillon 650 hell. When indexing a bit spills out of the case and jams up the priming magazine. The powder is very fine and a small amount will give sideways, crushed primers. Yes i have tried the roller bearing but I could not get good results from it.

After using up the jug of HS-6 I swiched to Universal Clays and was pleased to find that with less powder it gave better velocity and less recoil. Their is a bit of muzzle flash but it is very clean. I am using 4.7 grains of Universal Clays under a 124g. Montana Gold JHP and Zero FMJ. It gets 1075fps out of my G19. Very accurate to boot.
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Old 12-10-2010, 10:03 PM
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I'm using 4.2 grains of TiteGroup with Winchester 124 grain FMJ's loaded with a Hornady LNL. Works great in G-34, M&P 9, Sig P-226(sold).
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what powder would u use for subsonic loads?
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Old 12-11-2010, 8:10 AM
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N320

It is the poop for subsonic 124gr loads.
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me uses 4.8gr 231 with a 124gr FMJ slug for my Grocks and M9
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Old 12-12-2010, 7:34 AM
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J-Cat is that VIHTAVUORI N320 - 4 LBS?
do u need that poop for subsonic.
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Old 12-12-2010, 8:57 AM
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You don't need it, but the accuracy is sooooooooooooooooooooooo good.

4grs under a 124 FMJ loaded to 1.150" is just about perfect.
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I use 231 for cast 124/125 grain bullets, and Titegroup for jacketed/plated 124/125 grain bullets.

I put charge with enough of the powder to get 1050 - 1100 fps in the coldest weather that I am willing to shoot in, maybe 45*F.

I found that both of the powders are affected positively by ambient temperature changes.

My 124 grain cast bullet load with 231 chrono'd 1080 fps in 60-degree weather, and 1040 fps in 48-degree weather, both shot from the same Glock 19, factory barrel (. Cast bullets in factory Glock barrels? Dangerous!)
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231. AA5, HS6 and even AA7 are all fine for 124gr.

I would go with 231 or AA5 for the snappier feel with a 124, HS6 or AA7 under a heavier bullet.

Start under listed max charge by 5-10 % and work it up to 1050fps range and you are good to go.
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not to hijack this but what would work good for the 40 s& w.
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