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Old 12-08-2010, 11:26 AM
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I'm looking to purchase a CA-compliant AR-15. Until a few days ago, I didn't even know there was such a thing. I'm considering the Stag Arms Model 1, but I honestly don't know what else is out there. Any thoughts on the Stag and any suggestions as to what else I should be considering?

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Anything that is not on the ban list, and has a bullet button is California compliant

http://www.calguns.net/caawid/flowchart.pdf
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I would suggest that you start by reading over and understanding the CA AW Flowchart.

A budget would also help us get you started. Are you hoping to buy a complete AR-15 or build one yourself from parts?
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Just printed the flowchart and will study. Thanks.

I'm looking to purchase a complete AR. As for budget, I would say the range of $1,000 - $1,500 if that will get me something solid and reliable.
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What part of the state are you in? There's likely a good dealer in your vicinity, somebody can point you to.
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Buy a Colt A3 Carbine for $1400 or a Colt 6940 for $1700...this thread is starting to seem familiar to me.....
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Colts for sale in Northern California click this

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...t=Colt+%2B+OLL

I dont know who in SoCal has them.

to see what an A3 and 6940 look like click these links...

http://www.colt.com/law/downloads/AR15A3_Specs.pdf
http://www.colt.com/law/downloads/LE6940_Flyer.pdf

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These links will help with background/laws/etc. http://www.calguns.net/a_california_arak.htm
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=56818
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...ad.php?t=80571
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=186405
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=238857

For what to buy, try searching for "best AR" in this forum.
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...rchid=10948057
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Southern California, Los Angeles area.

Is the Colt A3 available to civilians? The link above shows it for Law Enforcement.
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I'm looking to purchase a CA-compliant AR-15. Until a few days ago, I didn't even know there was such a thing. I'm considering the Stag Arms Model 1, but I honestly don't know what else is out there. Any thoughts on the Stag and any suggestions as to what else I should be considering?

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I invite you to drive down to Fountain Valley and visit us at RifleGear. We have lots of model ARs on the wall, including the Stag Model 1 and several nicer, higher-end models. We would be happy to answer all your questions so you can make an informed purchase decision.
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I invite you to drive down to Fountain Valley and visit us at RifleGear. We have lots of model ARs on the wall, including the Stag Model 1 and several nicer, higher-end models. We would be happy to answer all your questions so you can make an informed purchase decision.
There ya go. A good invite from the right people.
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Just might do that. Thanks.
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Southern California, Los Angeles area.

Is the Colt A3 available to civilians? The link above shows it for Law Enforcement.
The link is old. the name of the firearm is law enforcement carbine...thats not the only ones who can own it....lol

You would need to find an FFL (gun shop) willing to accept the firearm. Be warned many are scared to. Its a quest to find someone.

If all that leg work isn't for you...Id go with Riflegear. Top quality stuff and you are supporting a local guy...win win and easy.
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Back to the Colt A3, it doesn't appear to me that it is CA-compliant. Is there a legal version out there?
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Anything that is not on the ban list, and has a bullet button is California compliant
True, but only part of the story. The rest of the story is that you can get a featureless off-list rifle without a magazine lock and drop your mags with your finger, including legally-owned or legally-borrowed large capacity mags.

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Back to the Colt A3, it doesn't appear to me that it is CA-compliant. Is there a legal version out there?
Why would you think this?
Its not listed as a Category 1 AW
Its not listed as a Category 2 AW
The firearm must be configured properly to be compliant with our laws. After that its not a Category 3 AW.

You don't have to have a featureless stock / grip which changes the "look" of it. You can install a magazine lock. With a magazine lock the firearm looks the same from the outside. The magazine release button is merely disabled only allowing the magazine to be removed with a tool.

My legal Stag-15 with magazine lock. Note only people familiar with a BB magazine lock can spot it.
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The flowchart lists a whole lot of Colts. So I called Colt and asked if there was such a thing as a CA-compliant Colt and they said "no". What am I missing?
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The flowchart lists a whole lot of Colts. So I called Colt and asked if there was such a thing as a CA-compliant Colt and they said "no". What am I missing?
LOL...Colt has no idea what our laws are.... Why would they?

I will walk you through this. I am not a lawyer. this is done from my memory. pay a CA firearms attorney to research this for you.

AWs are banned for civilian ownership under 3 categories.

Category 1.
PC12276 (a) through (c)
(a) = Rifles banned by name.
blah blah blah
Colt AR15 (all)

(b) Pistols
blah blah blah

(c) Shotguns
Blah Blah Blah

Now is a Colt AR-15A3 the same thing as a Colt AR15 (all). The Courts have said NO. The A3 makes it a different firearm. So the A3 is NOT a Category 1 AW.

PC12276 (d)
This forces the AG to comply with 12276.5 which means they must provide a list to LEA on what is an AW. This has nothing to do with Colt or any other firearm.

PC12276 (e)
The AG tried to say this part of the law allowed them to make any firearm that looked like or varied from a listed PC12276 (a) through (c) also illegal and an AW. The Courts disagreed. The Courts said it wasn't legal to have any jury apply the law different from another jury, or that the AG was allowed to willy nilly add firearms to PC12276 (a) through (c). Under PC12276 (d) the AG was given until 1/1/2007 to make a permanent list of other series firearms that are also AWs. So now they added;
1) Colt Law Enforcement (6920)
2) Colt Match Target (all)
3) Colt Sporter (all)
So is a Colt AR-15A3 carbine any of these? No. What is written on the side of the lower is legally what the firearm is. Colt AR-15A3s are not Sporters, Match Targets, or 6920s. Those three types of Colts are AWs

Now the third category
Category 3
12276.1. (a) Notwithstanding Section 12276, "assault weapon" shall also mean any of the following:
(1) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon.
(B) A thumbhole stock.
(C) A folding or telescoping stock.
(D) A grenade launcher or flare launcher.
(E) A flash suppressor.
(F) A forward pistol grip.
(2) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
(3) A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has an overall length of less than 30 inches.

As long as your Colt AR-15A3 can NOT fit into one of these requirments..its NOT an AW.

Here is the Offical list of AWs in CA, as per the AG office. this is the Official link from the AGs office...not some guys opinion on the law
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/regs/ look at chapt 40.

This is a link to AW law from the AGs office. Once again not some guys link...its the Official CA Governments
http://ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/ look at 12275 through 12290, called AW laws.

The problem you MAY face and MUST know is the person sending your Colt AR15A3 MUST understand they can not send you a Colt Sporter Lower configured as a Colt AR15A3 and think its the same thing. Under our laws its not... thats where the danger is. You must trust the California FFL to be in communication with the out of State distributor to make that Distributor doesnt send a banned Colt lower. Any FFL in California offering to sell Colts knows this. They will make sure the firearm they sell are legal to sell. They are also on the hook if they mess up. This is why so few want to take a chance. Its easier to just sell Stag-15s which look exactly like Colt AR15s, but they are Stag-15s.... a non-listed rifle, or OLL as we now call them.

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The flowchart lists a whole lot of Colts. So I called Colt and asked if there was such a thing as a CA-compliant Colt and they said "no". What am I missing?
Dude, just get your booty over to RifleGear. They will answer all of your questions and you can fondle all the neat toys they have on their wall.

Here's a sneak peak at what they have:

http://riflegear.com/c-81-rifles.aspx

Don't see something you like? They'll build a custom one for you like this one they did for me:

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I was just at a gunshow in Palm Springs this past weekend and a guy was selling a few Colts there. $1800.
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I like that Colt A3. Can my local Colt dealer get me a CA-compliant version, or do I need to work with one of the out-of-state dealers and use my dealer to receive the gun (if he will)?
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Has anyone here purchased, or know of where to buy, a CA-compliant (bullet button) HBAR ELITE? It appears to be "off list".

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I like that Colt A3. Can my local Colt dealer get me a CA-compliant version, or do I need to work with one of the out-of-state dealers and use my dealer to receive the gun (if he will)?
If you have a local guy who understand Colt OLLs, I would go that route. Any time you just call a distribuator you run the risk of them sending a Listed Colt.

Many mistake our laws for other States ban laws. Colt has in the past sold a "like" configured AR15 as a different model. We can't accept that here. We need to have the exact model by roll mark on the lower.
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Has anyone here purchased, or know of where to buy, a CA-compliant (bullet button) HBAR ELITE? It appears to be "off list".
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=7&f=21&t=819964
1 month old $875, + $25 shipping + $25 DROS + $25 for a BB +$25 to have the guy in TN install the BB +$75 FFL fee = Colt A3 for $1050.

The FFL may charge tax on the $875

You need to CONFIRM the exact wording on the lower

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I like that Colt A3. Can my local Colt dealer get me a CA-compliant version, or do I need to work with one of the out-of-state dealers and use my dealer to receive the gun (if he will)?
You really should get your butt down to Riflegear and see what they have to offer. Imo It is the best place in socal for Ar style rifles. The Guys there are great!

Dont get hung up on a colt. Personally I wouldn't touch one even if there is an offlist model , why risk getting hassled by a leo who mistakes it for a banned model.

Thats why I love my JD lower, There is no Doubt its offlist.

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Good point. And it appears that getting a Colt here is going to be a whole lot of trouble anyway. Probably not worth the hassle and expense. Which brings me back to the Stag Model 1.
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Southern California, Los Angeles area.

Is the Colt A3 available to civilians? The link above shows it for Law Enforcement.
There's nothing really good in Los Angeles.... In general, Los Angeles City hates guns.... can't even buy ammo online here. That said, there are a few dealers out here that I go to, but only if the price is right....there is GunRunners in Duarte and Gun World in Burbank, which recently underwent an ownership change and they will be bringing back their guns, but as of right now, I think they're still waiting for some legal barriers to go down. The prices at both of these establishments are on the higher side.

I think the best local gun store to visit is Addax Tactical. They're out in San Fernando, a few minutes north of Burbank. Chris Haddadian the owner of Addax is a great individual to deal with and Addax Tactical has fair prices. Because you're on Calguns, you get a discount for going with them. Right now, they have a Daniel Defense 16" for something like $1325 and change.... here's the link:

DANIEL DEFENSE M4V5 MID-LENGTH AR15 16" RIFLE
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There's nothing really good in Los Angeles.... In general, Los Angeles City hates guns.... can't even buy ammo online here. That said, there are a few dealers out here that I go to, but only if the price is right....there is GunRunners in Duarte and Gun World in Burbank, which recently underwent an ownership change and they will be bringing back their guns, but as of right now, I think they're still waiting for some legal barriers to go down. The prices at both of these establishments are on the higher side.

I think the best local gun store to visit is Addax Tactical. They're out in San Fernando, a few minutes north of Burbank. Chris Haddadian the owner of Addax is a great individual to deal with and Addax Tactical has fair prices. Because you're on Calguns, you get a discount for going with them. Right now, they have a Daniel Defense 16" for something like $1325 and change.... here's the link:

DANIEL DEFENSE M4V5 MID-LENGTH AR15 16" RIFLE
http://www.adxtactical.com/store/pc/...idcategory=191
Yup, I second that, Addax is another great shop in socal. Have Chris fix you up with a GP upper
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