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Old 11-28-2010, 7:44 PM
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Default Got my Draco finally

I just couldnt leave well enough alone,lol. SO I picked up my new toy and did what any gun nut would do, tear it apart. I didnt care for the light furniture so I sanded it down and re stained it. Next was the grip, replaced it with a Hogue. Then I needed a single point sling so I added the Magpul. Only problem was there was no place to mount it. I found that Hogue makes a small strip to mount to parts. I added this but had to cut it down to make it fit. That rear butt plate sure is hard! I went through three bits trying to drill through it. But I got it mounted and all is well. Oh yeah I forgot the muzzle brake, got that mounted as well.
Anyway enough yappin heres some pics! Ill have a range report Saturday.



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Old 11-28-2010, 7:59 PM
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Thats some nice staining you did on those handguards. How did you get that smooth look. Nice Draco.
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Looks great. Is that the new tapco break?
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Old 11-28-2010, 8:31 PM
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Thanks, it was pretty easy really. It was just a matter of finding the right stuff. Ive tried a bunch trying to get this color.
If anyone wants Ill post a how to with the brand name.
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Nice pistol....what's it doing in the centerfire rifles section?

j/k, the handguard work looks really nice.
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Thanks, it was pretty easy really. It was just a matter of finding the right stuff. Ive tried a bunch trying to get this color.
If anyone wants Ill post a how to with the brand name.
Congrats on the new draco It looks awesome...If you wouldn't mind I would love to see the how to on your stain job.
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I would also like to see that stain job's instructions.
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P.S. your Draco looks B.A.
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awesome looking draco
yes please show us how you do the color
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Getting mine tomorrow hopefully
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And also, you have an awesome garage workbench with a sweet slip mat.

Nice staining on the bench too haha
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Old 11-29-2010, 8:28 AM
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Thanks, Ill get a how to up today.
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YES I want to know what stain you used!!! Please soon to beacuse I'm going to be redoing mine as well! Love the color, very very nice!
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Never been a fan of actually shooting Dracos.... but dang that thing is gorgeous.
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Ive got a bunch of PMs today. So heres some answers.
To own a Draco you just need to buy a Ca. model. It will come with a cage around the mag release and it will also have a zero shot mag included.
You will also need a hand gun cert. If you dont have one your dealer will have a test for you, Its 30 easy questions.
The Draco is registered as a pistol. Once you get it home you can add a 10 round mag.
About the stain. Ill post a how to later on today. Dont worry guys I wont leave you hangin. If you can take a AK a part you can do this, its very easy!
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Old 11-29-2010, 11:46 AM
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BTW I bought mine here. PM Blake and he will hook you up!
http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/storeproduct920.aspx
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Looks good bud!!... can't wait to shoot it.
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Looks nice, I likes......
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Here we go.
Ive been through a bunch of stain trying to find that redish color. Seemed whatever I did I could never find it. I finally nailed it!
Its called Minwax PolyShades in BOMBAY MAHOGANY. I only been able to find it in a quart size. Lowes had it for 12.00 a quart.
Getting started, you'll want to remove the hand guards and sand them very well with 320 grit paper. For those of you that havent worked with wood, make sure you sand WITH the grain of the wood! Once you have the parts sanded I like to lay down foil or wax paper. I do this in the house because the garage is COLD right now. If you do it in the house make sure you lay down enough foil or wax paper. You dont want the wife to make you move out into the garage because of the mess you made,lol.
Next set something under the guards to prop them up off the foil. Something steady! You wont want to worry about them falling while your brushing the stain on!
After you get them setup you'll want to dust them off. I use a tack rag. Then stir the stair well. After you stir it let it sit for a couple minutes in the can. That way the air bubbles will chill out.
Get yourself a nice stain brush, not too big. You must use a brush because the foam brushes leave air bubbles on the surface, we dont want that!
Apply a coat and brush long ways nice and even! After the first light coat I let it site for about five minutes. Then Ill go back and brush on a second coat. I like a nice even wet coat. Dont worry about some brush streaks they will flow out while drying.
I stop there because I got the color I wanted in two coats. If you want it darker then apply another.
Then its dry time! Let it dry at 75 deg. for eight hours. The can says six but I find it too soft at that time.
After its dry Ill then get the FINE steel wool out and start rubbin! Yes all that shine will go away, dont worry about that right now. Keep rubbin until its nice and smooth. Dont hit the edges too hard because you'll run the stain right off. Rub rub rub until all the dirt is gone and they are perfect and flat!
After your done rubbin you'll have a choice to make. Look at then and decide if you want a rugged look. If you'll want the color and want them dull stop now. If you want them mild then rub them out with Carnuba Wax untill your happy, this is where I stopped.
If you want them REALLY shinny then you'll need a high speed buffer to get some heat into the stain.
Anyway I hope this helped some. Post up your projects in this thread. I'd love to see the outcomes without diggin for results.
Good luck guys.
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Old 11-29-2010, 4:01 PM
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did you go over it with a sealer (Tung oil, or wipe on poly) after the stain? or does the stain you used have a sealer already in it.
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Its included, thats why I used the steel wool after. Ive tried all the oils and with this color wood it just wont get to this color.
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thanks it looks great!!!!
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I like it, i want one now!
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why does the draco come with a mag-lock if it's a pistol?
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why does the draco come with a mag-lock if it's a pistol?
Because the magazine is located outside of the pistol grip. [PC 12276.1(a)(4)(D)]


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(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
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why does the draco come with a mag-lock if it's a pistol?
Since the magazine is outside of the grip, it therefore needs to have a mag lock by law.
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That stain job is awesome. I would love to stain my furniture but I have no experience whatsoever and I just don't want to mess it up.
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Because the magazine is located outside of the pistol grip. [PC 12276.1(a)(4)(D)]


Penal Code 12276.1
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(4) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and any one of the following:
(A) A threaded barrel, capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer.
(B) A second handgrip.
(C) A shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely encircles, the barrel that allows the bearer to fire the weapon without burning his or her hand, except a slide that encloses the barrel.
(D) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(5) A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
ahhh makes sense now. i was looking at the handgun AW flowchart and it didn't mention that part. so i take it that it's like a BB'd rifle? ie: don't use preban hicaps with a bullet button?

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closest legal way to have an sbr I love it! cant imagine wat its like to shoot, do they make them in 5.45? maybe more maneagable??
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closest legal way to have an sbr I love it! cant imagine wat its like to shoot, do they make them in 5.45? maybe more maneagable??
No one makes one in 5.45x39mm. (there may be some custom builds, but no one is advertising)
Main reason seems to be fear that BATFE will ban surplus 5.45x39mm steel core ammo. Since, the BATFE banned 7.62x39mm steel core ammo back in the early-90s due to the introduction of the first 7.62x39mm pistol.

There is a 5.56x45mm version called the Champion.
But, they appear to have ceased importation since they began importing the Draco.
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ahhh makes sense now. i was looking at the handgun AW flowchart and it didn't mention that part. so i take it that it's like a BB'd rifle? ie: don't use preban hicaps with a bullet button?

edit: nice work with the wood btw.
I think you're not allowed to have any mags over 10 rounds for it period. BB is mandatory. So what that means is no monster man type grip for it, and running your pre ban mags. I believe this is what I've been told/read. If anyone can confirm, that'd be great.
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I would recommend using Bronze wool during wood refinishing. never use steel wool on wood. It can leave behind slivers which can eventually rust and change the desired look of your stain/finish. Its a lot harder to find at your local hardware store. I've ordered it from here and I've gotten my shipment within 3-4 days.
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What muzzle break is that? It looks great. Excuse my ignorance, but with AK-pistol builds do you have to weld the break on? Is it ok to have a threaded end on a AK pistol?
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I would recommend using Bronze wool during wood refinishing. never use steel wool on wood. It can leave behind slivers which can eventually rust and change the desired look of your stain/finish. Its a lot harder to find at your local hardware store. I've ordered it from here and I've gotten my shipment within 3-4 days.
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What muzzle break is that? It looks great. Excuse my ignorance, but with AK-pistol builds do you have to weld the break on? Is it ok to have a threaded end on a AK pistol?
It's the new Tapco RAZR flash hider. A threaded barrel is OK on a pistol with a fixed magazine/ BB set up, so no need to permanently attach the brake or FH.
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It's the new Tapco RAZR flash hider. A threaded barrel is OK on a pistol with a fixed magazine/ BB set up, so no need to permanently attach the brake or FH.
thanks. I think I know what my next toy is now.

I've seen Dracos for sale with the muzzle nut tac welded on....are they all sold like this?

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Awesome stain job! One of the best Dracos I've seen.
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Old 01-05-2011, 9:26 AM
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Thanks guys. Ive removed that hider and ended up going with a slant brake. I wanted some flash out of this bad boy.
Yes it comes with a spot welded nut. You just cut the spot weld and remove the nut.
When you take one of these to the range get ready for people to stare at ya. Some about the Draco just looks like it should be in Cali,lol. Once you get a sling attached its a shooter. My buddy and I were shocked at how accurate it really is.
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