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Old 11-13-2017, 2:55 PM
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Default Today's FFL DES Bulletin (Glock gen 4's 5's 43)

Every time I get super paranoid I'm not doing things good enough see memos like that and think:

Just how many clueless dealers have been just DROSing these things that DOJ needs to put out a memo???
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There are FFL only forums (non-public). Read some of the posts and you won't wonder any more.

While it would not go over well, I have often wondered if a test being required would help reduce some of the issues with FFLs, but then again it would be a government test, so ...
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I could see them screwing up on the Gen4/Gen5, but how would they think the 43 was on roster?
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I could see them screwing up on the Gen4/Gen5, but how would they think the 43 was on roster?
All Glocks look the same, plus 43, 34, both have a 3 and both have a 4, so what's the difference? :-)
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One thing that is interesting is that it seems that they removed the previous bulletin and posted a modified version with 42 added, as well as "handguns" added. Perhaps they don't want people to get confused with a shovel.

I have to wonder why they don't just say that the FFL has to ensure that the firearm being transferred is the exact model on the certified list and provide the link.

I have to wonder how anyone is doing a dealer sale of firearms not on the certified list.
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All Glocks look the same, plus 43, 34, both have a 3 and both have a 4, so what's the difference? :-)
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I have to wonder how anyone is doing a dealer sale of firearms not on the certified list.
Maybe they are playing the dyslexic card:
Glock 34 5.3inch barrel
Glock 43 3.5inch barrel

The DOJ roster list is garbage. Each firearm should have a link with 4 clear pictures showing all parts so you can make sure its on the list. (like they are requiring for registration. Since they have all them there it should be easy right?
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The DOJ roster list is garbage. Each firearm should have a link with 4 clear pictures showing all parts so you can make sure its on the list. (like they are requiring for registration. Since they have all them there it should be easy right?
Yep. I would be happy with more information, but photos would also be very good. Rugers are annoying since they use the model number, not the name. This means that you can't use what is on the firearm to match with what is on the list.

Then again, with a lack of info it should be harder for them to go after a FFL if a mistake is made (not that it would stop them, but if it got before a jury you might have a better chance).
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Yep. I would be happy with more information, but photos would also be very good. Rugers are annoying since they use the model number, not the name. This means that you can't use what is on the firearm to match with what is on the list.

Then again, with a lack of info it should be harder for them to go after a FFL if a mistake is made (not that it would stop them, but if it got before a jury you might have a better chance).
and CZ has both listed, so a used gun without a box is hard to dealer transfer (because the free state version with 15rd mags or whatever has a different number, even though the gun itself is identical)
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A bit off-topic but what occurs if a FFL sells and transfers an off-roster handgun to a buyer and .Gov becomes aware of it? Gun must be returned? FFL is obviously in trouble- how much trouble? What of the buyer?

Thanks for the education.

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A bit off-topic but what occurs if a FFL sells and transfers an off-roster handgun to a buyer and .Gov becomes aware of it? Gun must be returned? FFL is obviously in trouble- how much trouble? What of the buyer?

Thanks for the education.

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Buyer in any trouble? Does gun get returned/confiscated?
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Unless the buyer did something wrong, such as committing fraud about the firearm, I doubt that anything would happen. Not sure, but I think the CA DOJ says that the firearm needs to be returned.
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From previous times this occurred*, CA DOJ BOF response... for the buyer, no criminal charges (buyer did nothing wrong) and a request to voluntarily exchange the off-Roster handgun for an on-Roster version.



*Previous times this ocurred was when a new handgun was put on the Roster and there was no initial indication on which version was actually listed causing off-Roster versions to be transferred.
AFAIK... this happened with the Glock 21SF and the SIG P-238.
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From previous times this occurred*, CA DOJ BOF response... for the buyer, no criminal charges (buyer did nothing wrong) and a request to voluntarily exchange the off-Roster handgun for an on-Roster version.



*Previous times this ocurred was when a new handgun was put on the Roster and there was no initial indication on which version was actually listed causing off-Roster versions to be transferred.
AFAIK... this happened with the Glock 21SF and the SIG P-238.
are there multiple versions of the G21SF? I thought there was only the one.
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are there multiple versions of the G21SF? I thought there was only the one.
Made in the USA or Austria.
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are there multiple versions of the G21SF? I thought there was only the one.
Yes, there are multiple versions of the Glock 21SF*.

At the time it was first listed on the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale, there were three varaints of the Glock 21SF.

Glock 21SF with picatinny rail and ambi mag release (Glock 21SF-1913-MB)
Glock 21SF with glock rail and ambi mag release (Glock 21SF-MB)
Glock 21SF with glock rail and standard mag release (Glock 21SF-STD)

CA DOJ BOF determined that the Glock ambi mag release system caused the pistol to be considered a "new" handgun and all Glock pistols with the ambi mag release system did not qualify for the exemption [PC 32030] that Glock was using to get their pistols on the Roster.

When the listing first went up, it was just listed as "Glock 21SF".
This allowed some CA FFL dealers to transfer all variants of the Glock 21SF.
A short time later, CA DOJ noticed their error and corrected the listing to be Glock 21SF-STD.
CA DOJ BOF then sent letters to everyone who acquired an off-Roster variant and requested that they voluntarily return it for an on-Roster replacement.




*Glock 21SF variants...
Glock 21SF-1913-MB (discontinued)
Glock 21SF-MB (discontinued)
Glock 21SF-STD (current production, made in Austria and made in USA)
Glock 21SF-RTF2-STD (limited to LE agency orders only)
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