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Old 08-01-2017, 9:55 AM
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Does a barreled action, or just an action for that matter, need to DROS thru a FFL01 dealer?? What goes on when a private party sells an action to another PP member of CalGuns?? Do they have to do a FFL01 PPT?? Just curious... Thanks
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The part with the serial number on it must go thru a FFL. Regardless of what that part is called. IE a lower like on a AR, the upper like on a SCAR, the frame on a pistol, receiver on a bolt gun and so on
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The part with the serial number on it must go thru a FFL. Regardless of what that part is called. IE a lower like on a AR, the upper like on a SCAR, the frame on a pistol, receiver on a bolt gun and so on
So what about one of the earlier Mauser 96 action only that just has the year of manufacture and crest on the top of the ring and no S/N?? Are you saying that it doesn't need to go through the DROS?? OR a barrel only with a serial number stamped in it does???
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the part that has a SN on it is the part that needs to get DROS.

if you have a "firearm" that was build before manufactures put SN on them then it still needs to be DROS just the FFL dose it differently on the paperwork
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the part that has a SN on it is the part that needs to get DROS.

if you have a "firearm" that was build before manufactures put SN on them then it still needs to be DROS just the FFL dose it differently on the paperwork
European guns have serial#s on the upper and lower receiver though.

In the USA the serialized lower is what gets DROSed unless the upper is the only place that contains the serial # like some euro guns
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The part which the BATF considers to be the firearm is always treated as a firearm and the normal paperwork has to be done, regardless of whether it has a serial number or not. The part which is considered to be the firearm can vary depending on the model of the firearm.

A manufacturer could be a serial number on everything, but that does not matter.
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So I guess from what everyone is saying ALL actions or barrels have to be DROS'd or PPT'd.. I wonder just how often this is done???
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No, barrels don't have to be DROS'd. Barrels are not considered to be a firearm by the BATF.
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No, every gun has in essence what's called a "receiver". Some guns have an upper receiver and a lower receiver. Some just a "receiver". The ATF dictates on of the receivers generally to be considered the "firearm" while the rest are just parts.

All firearms containing a receiver being transferred must go through a DROS process.

A barreled action when not attached to a receiver does not need to go through the DROs process.

Take this AK parts kit for example.. the receiver has been destroyed and the rest are just parts. When buying this kit.. non of it needs to be transferred through a dealer since no receiver is included




Now take this ACR barreled action with upper receiver... this is considered a firearm due to it including a receiver..





Now, here's where it gets confusing.

A standard AR15 lower is the "receiver" for the firearm.. however for the scar, although the same part, the manufacturer has decided that the upper receiver will be considered the firearm rather than the lower.

This is a scar lower receiver (not a firearm)




This is an AR15 lower receiver (this is a firearm)




The difference? The manufacturers intent for which part to be considered thefirearm, with the rest just being parts.

And before you ask, no, the manufacture cannot just choose any part and must choose a part that is central and necessary to sustain the action of the firearm, usually containing the action or the fire control group.
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