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Old 11-16-2010, 11:08 PM
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Default Suprisingly, another one of Brady Campaign's Warnings Falls Flat

We've all seen this lovely billboard that the Brady Campaign posted in Florida.



Along with it, came this beautiful ad:



Apparently, the dire warnings of the Brady brain trust over didn't exactly come to fruition.

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When Florida's so-called "stand-your-ground law" took effect in 2005, a well-known anti-gun organization started issuing scary warnings to tourists.

The Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence advised Florida's visitors to avoid arguments with the locals, lest they be gunned down by a populace now free to pull the trigger whenever anyone made them feel nervous.

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There was no spike in murders disguised as self-defense that year, but statistics since then can be debated. Some measures do show a significant increase in shootings labeled self-defense. And yet, I have not heard of one that struck me as a case where a shooter would and should have been sent to prison under the old law, but had charges dismissed or never filed thanks to the new one.

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Much like the Antis warnings of shootouts over parking spaces, violent gunfights in movie theatres and general "Dodge City" mayhem, Florida's crime rate continues to fall, just like the crime rate of the other 39 States who have legislated Shall Issue Concealed Carry. 1.6 million Floridians with CCW permits - crime rates fall.

You'd think, with all that money, that Paul Helmke would be able to buy a clue.
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:15 PM
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who the hell continues to fund these clowns?

does anyone know?

is there thousands of people donating money to the brady's? or is it a few millionaires like Bloomberg who donate several million a year
LOL, what a waste of their money
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Old 11-16-2010, 11:55 PM
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Last I recall, the Brady campaign was something like 300K a year under on average, but receive major funding by Bloomberg, and the Mayors against illegal guns group...another one of their fails. But I am going to have to you on this one
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Old 11-17-2010, 4:33 AM
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Obviously the Brady campaign to warn visitors of the armed nervous (itchy trigger fingered) Floridians with guns is to thank for not seeing the streets run red.

BTW, got my non resident FL CCW permit all filled out. Waiting for the finger print card to come in the mail.

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Old 11-17-2010, 5:21 AM
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I like the top one. I wonder if it lowers the crime rate in the area.

Kind of a reminder for criminals that Florida residents may shoot back if threatened.

Thank you Brady.
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Old 11-17-2010, 5:24 AM
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I'd love to have these signs on all of our borders, that would be a step in the right direction IMHO!
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Old 11-17-2010, 5:56 AM
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Our signs should be drawn by somebody who knows what a pistol bullet looks like, though.
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This info is suspect, I see no mention of any sad panda.
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Old 11-17-2010, 7:30 AM
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When I drove to Florida the first time I saw the top sign and thought it was a PRO gun message!
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Anybody ever hear the radio commercials in Alaska about their armed citizens? It's pro gun and warns potential criminals that Alaskans carry guns, and that they will use them. It played every hour when I was there last(06'). That's why they can leave their cars running while in the store and not worry about. People stealing them, etc etc.
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I'd love to have these signs on all of our borders, that would be a step in the right direction IMHO!
In spanish that is
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When I drove to Florida the first time I saw the top sign and thought it was a PRO gun message!

No kidding. Criminals beware! lol
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Our signs should be drawn by somebody who knows what a pistol bullet looks like, though.
Haha seriously. What are those circle things behind the "bullet"? Are those supposed to be shock waves?
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I wonder how many criminals decided to vacation in California instead of Florida after seeing these signs??? It would be an interesting stat. if one could figure out how to conduct an accurate poll.
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Haha seriously. What are those circle things behind the "bullet"? Are those supposed to be shock waves?
Those circles are GPS tracking the Brady bunch.
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Old 11-17-2010, 8:38 AM
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Much like the Antis warnings of shootouts over parking spaces, violent gunfights in movie theatres and general "Dodge City" mayhem, Florida's crime rate continues to fall, just like the crime rate of the other 39 States who have legislated Shall Issue Concealed Carry. 1.6 million Floridians with CCW permits - crime rates fall.

You'd think, with all that money, that Paul Helmke would be able to buy a clue.
I disagree with only one point here. Though there isn't a perceptable increase statistically, but I can tell you as a former resident of Florida that my contacts with my family and remaining friends down there, there is a bit more of a feeling that if they do shoot someone, it won't be as bad of a situation for them as before. The law previous to the Stand Your Ground statute really sucked.
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Well thank you brady bunch for warning potential criminals that citizens in Florida are allowed to be armed while they're in a period of a dropping crime rate.

This seems to be sort of similar to some of those radio ads that City Arms has been running for a while, or those cheesy little signs people put up with slogans like "premises protected by S&W security".
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Our signs should be drawn by somebody who knows what a pistol bullet looks like, though.
Yeah but like with everything Brady-related, why bother with facts and truths?
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If idiots like Meg Whitman can drop 160 million on a failed campaign, I'm sure there are plenty of other millionaire anti-2A idiots that will drop a few bucks in for a "charitable organization". Meg Whitman probably already did...
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Los Angeles, San Jose, Chicago... all have high rates of violent crime.

I wonder how much the criminal lobby has put forth toward electing these officials to office? How much did their campaign coffers get for them to disarm their fellow citizens through legislative means?
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Oddly on my recent Florida trip last month, I somehow didn't get shot.
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I go to Fl all the time to visit my folks. When I go to Walmart I always see people LOC and seen a couple people get out of their car and put their pistol in the concealed holster. Everyone in my parents little town is nice.

A guy my dad worked with had his house broken into when he wasn't there. He called the police the next day they came and took finger prints and a report. Cop told them that they had a few break ins in that area and they might come back. He asked the officer if he was allowed to protect himself with deadly force. The officer said yeah, just wait for them to come back if anything happens call us.

The guy waited and sure as **** they came back. He sat by the window that was previously broken and when the first kid came through he took a 12g shot to the chest with rock salt. The rest of the kids took off running leaving the friend behind. Man called the police and said he shot one of them. Cops came down and arrested the kid. Dunno how bad the kid was injured seeing as how rock salt at that close of a distance would prob do some damage, the robberies in the area stopped immediately tho.
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Los Angeles, San Jose, Chicago... all have high rates of violent crime.

I wonder how much the criminal lobby has put forth toward electing these officials to office? How much did their campaign coffers get for them to disarm their fellow citizens through legislative means?
I don't know about these cities, but I know Oakland is like that.
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I'm pretty sure San Jose does not have a "high rate of violent crime".

A few years back it was the safest big city in the U.S.

It just kind of sucks because it's hard to find a decent place to get a sit down meal after about 9:00 pm. It is very dead at night.

There are Mexican gang bangers in east San Jose but nothing like what you find a few (20-50) miles north in Fremont and Oakland.
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Let's see what a brady poster would look like for CA.
Maybe we can send this to them. I bet Helmke would be thrilled..

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HAHA awesome.
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I'm pretty sure San Jose does not have a "high rate of violent crime".

A few years back it was the safest big city in the U.S.
Yeah, I don't know whether it still has that status (the continued influx of Viets and illegals has had an impact on the crime rates), but I'm quite sure it's not in the same league as Chicago or LA. In fact, the county sheriff, as part of her justification for denying CCW permits, frequently cites the "safeness" of the county as a reason that people don't "need" to CCW.
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