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Old 11-11-2010, 8:38 PM
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Default Grand Dad's .280 Ross M-1910

Dad passed down his fathers Ross to me a while back so thought some of you guys might be interested in seeing some photos and offering advice as to what I should do with it.

Dad is from Alaska so finding a Canadian rifle in the family is not unexpected. Rifle has no sentimental value to my dad, so I don't feel any either. To Alaskan's like my dad guns are just tools, much like a Midwesterner might feel about a lawn mower.

Apparently these Ross's were a failure on the battlefield due to sensitivity to debris, but they earned a good reputation as a sniper and/or target rifle. The .280 cartridge is reputed to offer a low and penetrating trajectory.

It might be fun to fire this thing but I'm not experienced enough to do so and don't feel like paying for custom cartridges. I've got an itch to buy a modern 9mm hand gun so any advice you guys can offer to help me get reasonable value for it in the market place is welcome.

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Old 11-11-2010, 8:46 PM
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No sentimental value? Really? I feel sentimental about it and it's not even mine!
Clean up that closet rash with a little bronze wool and some oil. Nice piece. Thank you for sharing.
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sell it to me and buy a 9mm? .280 Ross is indeed a rare chambering but i'm sure the brass could be made from something pretty common and i assume it uses a .284 bullet diameter. they're neat rifles, many chambered in .303 so you've got a slightly odd duck. .280 was well thought-of, but for some reason the .303 was more popular. anyhow, you could sell it to me if you don't want it, lol. then again, i probably couldn't afford it anyway nice rifle though, sentimental or not, they sure are neat, but be careful. i understand the bolt can be reassembled incorrectly and end up a hood ornament in your forehead when fired. probably another reason they didn't earn much battlefield favor.
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Found some fun info about the .280 cartridge...

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Old 11-11-2010, 9:53 PM
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Great old rifle, Mostly a collectors gun. The ammo is not easily made from any thing else and the bullet diameter is not made anymore. The designer of the rifle/cartridge was killed by a lion that he shot with it.........guess the lion was upset!!!!
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The .280 Ross was the 7mm magnum of its day. It was notorious for washing out the rifling of barrels due to the steel of the day not being able to withstand the heat of the powder in use and the velocity of the round. The Ross bolt can be reassembled so that the locking lugs do not engage the receiver which then results in the bolt leaving the action at a very high velocity. When properly put together the Ross is a safe and accurate rifle. Do not use steel wool on the rust. Put a drop or two of 3-1 oil on the rust and gently rub a nickle coin's edge on the rust. It will take the rust off and not mar the bluing. How is the bore? Nice rifle. Wish I had the scratch, I'd buy it from you in a hearbeat.

Here is one like yours for sale on Gunbroker:

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=199272494
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280 Ross is also called 280 Nitro Express. It is still made in England. Buffalo Arms makes the brass but it is expensive. You would need to custom swage the bullets. Nice rifle but expensive to shoot!
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Brass was available from bell -- Huntington may also be a source - It can also be made from 300 H&H if you have a lathe --
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No sentimental value? Really? I feel sentimental about it and it's not even mine!
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Thanks for the feedback everyone.

Anyone care to guess on value? Guess that will depend on the barrel condition? To be honest, I don't know how to judge other than looking though it with a flashlight. I can see the spiral cut rifling but I'm not sure how to judge if it's of the proper depth. Any suggestions?
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Looka like the guys are asking 700-800.00 for a nice one like yours but sometimes asking prices are not the same as selling prices.
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...Rifle has no sentimental value to my dad, so I don't feel any either. To Alaskan's like my dad guns are just tools, much like a Midwesterner might feel about a lawn mower....
I don't know how old you are or your family situation, but me and most of the guys I hang out with would KILL to own a screw driver or lawn mower owned by one of our grandfathers. Even if you don't feel attached to that rifle, it might be the most important connection your son or grandson has to their (great)grandfather. All I have is faded black & white photos of my grandpappies holding Springfields and SMLEs. I never met either of them.
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I don't know how old you are or your family situation, but me and most of the guys I hang out with would KILL to own a screw driver or lawn mower owned by one of our grandfathers. Even if you don't feel attached to that rifle, it might be the most important connection your son or grandson has to their (great)grandfather. All I have is faded black & white photos of my grandpappies holding Springfields and SMLEs. I never met either of them.
Geeze, now you're making me feel bad.

My dad has Alzheimer, for the most part though he's pretty sharp as long as he's well rested. He stayed over at my place a couple weeks ago and we pulled out the gun. Found a couple of auctions (guns went unsold) but his eyes lite up when he saw how much the sellers were asking. He said I should sell it. I get the feeling this was one of many guns in the household and as mentioned before, is more akin to a shovel than something more personal like a pocket watch or pair of eyeglasses. Guess I'll talk to dad and try to find out if he remembers the gun from when he was a kid. G-dad died when my dad was quite young so I doubt he remembers much. I obviously never met him.

My plan with the money, should I sell it, is to pick up either a Ruger 10/22 and/or a hand gun and teach my son to shoot. Truth be, I need to learn myself since it's been a long time. At any rate, looking to become more active with the gun love thing and a gun on the shelf is not going to help as opposed to a gun, or two, we can use in real time.
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IMO keep the gun and hand it down to your kids or their kids.
Value?.......to them it may be priceless.
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I have a strong sense that this rifle is worth much more than a few hundred dollars.
Take a little bit of time to get the real value on what you have here.

Post your photos HERE and ask for the honest and sincere evaluation from those guys.
They know and appreciate what you have here, and they'll give you the straight story on it's value.

Really.
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Dad passed down his fathers Ross to me a while back so thought some of you guys might be interested in seeing some photos and offering advice as to what I should do with it.

Dad is from Alaska so finding a Canadian rifle in the family is not unexpected. Rifle has no sentimental value to my dad, so I don't feel any either. To Alaskan's like my dad guns are just tools, much like a Midwesterner might feel about a lawn mower.

Apparently these Ross's were a failure on the battlefield due to sensitivity to debris, but they earned a good reputation as a sniper and/or target rifle. The .280 cartridge is reputed to offer a low and penetrating trajectory.

It might be fun to fire this thing but I'm not experienced enough to do so and don't feel like paying for custom cartridges. I've got an itch to buy a modern 9mm hand gun so any advice you guys can offer to help me get reasonable value for it in the market place is welcome.

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...and that's based on a bunch of personal experience.

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Dennis will be square with you on how much it's worth...keep in mind though that he needs to make a buck reselling it.

I can't help feel though that you will regret selling it someday. If not you then your kids or nephews.
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I also strongly suggest you get a second opinion.
Follow the link I posted above and let the gentlemen there know what you have.



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Dennis will be square with you on how much it's worth...keep in mind though that he needs to make a buck reselling it.

I can't help feel though that you will regret selling it someday. If not you then your kids or nephews.

What's important to realize here is the distinction between martial arms and sporting arms.
That Ross Sporter is rare and special, and deserves the perspective of knowledgeable sporting rifle collectors.





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Geeze, now you're making me feel bad.

My dad has Alzheimer, for the most part though he's pretty sharp as long as he's well rested. He stayed over at my place a couple weeks ago and we pulled out the gun. Found a couple of auctions (guns went unsold) but his eyes lite up when he saw how much the sellers were asking. He said I should sell it. I get the feeling this was one of many guns in the household and as mentioned before, is more akin to a shovel than something more personal like a pocket watch or pair of eyeglasses. Guess I'll talk to dad and try to find out if he remembers the gun from when he was a kid. G-dad died when my dad was quite young so I doubt he remembers much. I obviously never met him.

My plan with the money, should I sell it, is to pick up either a Ruger 10/22 and/or a hand gun and teach my son to shoot. Truth be, I need to learn myself since it's been a long time. At any rate, looking to become more active with the gun love thing and a gun on the shelf is not going to help as opposed to a gun, or two, we can use in real time.
Yeah, I have to agree with you here. As a Canadian, I would LOVE to have that Ross. But I think if you think about it, if you picked up a 10/22 (or two) and took your son out shooting, then when he's your age he'll sit around (with you at Thanksgiving) and reminisce about the fun times you had plinking cans at the range, or taking him to shoot his first competition, etc, etc, etc...much more valuable to both of you than "Here's your Great Grandfather's rifle it meant nothing to him, and it meant nothing to your grandfather, and frankly I just don't want it cluttering up the garage anymore".

Obviously you could keep the rifle and still buy a pair of 10/22s (money is frangible!) but it might mean something if you sold it for the 10/22s, then you can say to your Dad, look, I sold it and got these for me and (insert son's name here).

But again, money is frangible (or whatever) you can sell your old porn collection and buy a 10/22 as well. Or work one weekend and buy a new pistol or whatever.
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Oh, as another option, which may or may not appeal to anyone, is that you can donate it to a museum (probably a Canadian museum) and have them put your Dad's name on the donation plate.
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