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Old 11-10-2010, 4:48 AM
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Just saw Uzi lowers come up on Nodak's website...

http://www.nodakspud.com/NDS-1948.htm

Looks very tempting...Uzi build party???

Can anybody school me on building one off this lower and the legalities surrounding it?

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You have to follow 922r if building a Title 1 Long Gun and you have to be in compliance with Federal and California laws. They're very easy to build as long as you have the correct parts.
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Will have to be a single shot when the lower is transfered to a FFL.

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Will have to be a single shot when the lower is transfered to a FFL.

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Just to add to SJgunguy24...

The NDS UZI receiver is just like their NDS AK receivers, and the typical AR lower. These are just virgin receivers and can be purchased by persons 21 and older.
The complexity of the situation arises with what can be built with them. If you build a Title 1 Long Gun, you must follow 922r along with the rest of the Federal and State laws. Virgin receivers that have NEVER had a stock can be built into AOWs if your location allows that NFA ownership option.
Then you have pistol builds... This would have to follow the home builder way of the California legal AK/AR pistol. At this point you'd either need to engage an FFL07 to present you with a California single shot UZI pistol for purchase. Otherwise, you'd have to do the home builder 80% route.
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Just to add to SJgunguy24...

The NDS UZI receiver is just like their NDS AK receivers, and the typical AR lower. These are just virgin receivers and can be purchased by persons 21 and older.
The complexity of the situation arises with what can be built with them. If you build a Title 1 Long Gun, you must follow 922r along with the rest of the Federal and State laws. Virgin receivers that have NEVER had a stock can be built into AOWs if your location allows that NFA ownership option.
Then you have pistol builds... This would have to follow the home builder way of the California legal AK/AR pistol. At this point you'd either need to engage an FFL07 to present you with a California single shot UZI pistol for purchase. Otherwise, you'd have to do the home builder 80% route.
But the UZI lowers on the website have to go to a FFL. in order to make a Pistol from it it will have to DROS as a single shot while at the FFL.

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It's a UZI receiver, not lower. the lower on the UZI is not an FFL item.

Building an UZI is even easier than putting together an AR Lower. As long as you have all the parts ready.
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Great info guys!
Id be most interested in the pistol route...So if I've got this right, I DROS the reciever as a single shot pistol and I'm good to go? Almost seems too good to be true. I always have to think that there's a catch with the laws...
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You can't DROS a receiver as a single shot pistol.

To qualify as a roster exempt pistol it has to be dimensionally compliant and have a fixed 1 round magazine. A bare receiver doesn't qualify.
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There is, an 07 has to build the gun for you, then it can be DROSed to you.

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Great info guys!
Id be most interested in the pistol route...So if I've got this right, I DROS the reciever as a single shot pistol and I'm good to go? Almost seems too good to be true. I always have to think that there's a catch with the laws...
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Mine is in the mail! Should be at my ffl by friday.
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Got it...
So what I'm gathering is that a 16" barrel, pinned stock, 10 rd mag, and 922r is the way to go if I want to build on the DROS'd receiver at home and remain compliant/CA legal (much like an AR?).

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Yup...

You can do a 16"bbl 30"oal fixed 10rd mag build, or a 16"bbl 30"oal detachable mag featureless build.
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You can do a 16"bbl 30"oal fixed 10rd mag build, or a 16"bbl 30"oal detachable mag featureless build.
The only thing I can think off on a featureless build is to install a fixed stock and something to prevent you from gripping the grip since you cannot remove it am I correct?
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The only thing I can think off on a featureless build is to install a fixed stock and something to prevent you from gripping the grip since you cannot remove it am I correct?
Weld the folder and affix some type of fin.
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You can also use the UZI wood stock and a Kydex Fin to go featureless. You would just have to mod the UZI grip safety.
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Or find an old Chinese made thumbhole UZI stock and fill that in.

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How much would it cost to build one up? I know you would need a 16" barrel to make a rifle, semi-bolt, stock, grip with FCG and top cover and sights. I just looked at a parts kit and it looks like all those things are included with the exception of a SA bolt. Can a FA bolt be made into a SA bolt? Can you use the 3 position grip on a SA build or can it be pinned so you cannot get to the FA position?

I think it would be cool to build one but not if the cost to build is more than the cost to buy.
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UZI bolts can be converted but the machining process is involved. The material is very hard and needs to be re-hardened after machining.
As for the 3rd position... Yes, a blocker bar has to be welded in the gun to prevent the 3rd position activation.

Regarding build costs... The UZI build can be economical if you're a good shopper. These NDS receivers have a 100% welded option, so all you'd have to do is slap your semi auto parts into place and paint your gun. Other receivers that did not have a 100% welded state had to have all the trunion, lugs, etc welded in which elevated costs.
The nice thing about these NDS receivers is that you can build to your specs. Vector is a good UZI builder, but Century can be very hit/miss. At least if you build it, you can hold the quality to your standards.
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I think I will wait till some manufacture starts making the mini and drops the price. Damn those things are expensive!
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This is VERY tempting. Does anyone have a guide for building one of these, I'll order my welded receiver tomorrow if I can get a list of the parts I'll need to finish and where to get them.
Post here for the good of all or PM me if you have this info. Or be a real champ and do both
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building an UZI is pretty easy.

Fully welded receiver.
Semi-auto lower assemby (you can modify a full-auto lower to semi-auto specs).
semi-auto bolt assy.
semi-auto sear assy.
semi-auto recoil spring.
semi-auto buffer
16" barrel (for semi-auto)
top cover (either semi-auto or converted full-auto top cover)


you have options regarding the rear stock.
you can either go fixed mag or with a solar tactical grip fin, depending on if you want to go featureless or not.
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here are a few links

http://uzigunparts.com/

http://www.danddsales.com/

http://www.dsarms.com/UZI%20Parts%20...s/products/24/

http://action-arms.com/

http://www.robertrtg.com/uzi.html

www.floridagunworks.com - please disregard this one

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thank you, Bing! These links help a lot.
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Don't use Florida Gun Works from Bing's links. Some people have had their orders filled and other have had a very terrible time with FGW.
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Good to know NSR.
so if I got something like this;
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=199791154
and the NDS receiver and a barrel, I'd be done? That is well under $600, what am I missing? Do those used Isreali kits suck or something?
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Good to know NSR.
so if I got something like this;
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=199791154
and the NDS receiver and a barrel, I'd be done? That is well under $600, what am I missing? Do those used Isreali kits suck or something?
That Numrich kit is missing the barrel and the bolt will have to be machined for SA use. The grip will have to be blocked for SA use as well.
This link describes the trigger/lower mods that need to be done: http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/p...ildminiuzi.htm

Unfortunately, it does not show the bolt mods, but that involves machining. You may be better off buying an SA bolt right off the bat.

To be quite honest with you and the others interested in the UZI build, it is very easy if you're using a welded receiver. To finish the NDS you essentially need the UZI furniture and what ke6guj listed.

For an estimated $700, you can have a very nice UZI built by yourself.

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building an UZI is pretty easy.

Fully welded receiver.
Semi-auto lower assemby (you can modify a full-auto lower to semi-auto specs).
semi-auto bolt assy.
semi-auto sear assy.
semi-auto recoil spring.
semi-auto buffer
16" barrel (for semi-auto)
top cover (either semi-auto or converted full-auto top cover)


you have options regarding the rear stock.
you can either go fixed mag or with a solar tactical grip fin, depending on if you want to go featureless or not.
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Thanks, NSR. I've subscribed to this thread for later use.
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Don't use Florida Gun Works from Bing's links. Some people have had their orders filled and other have had a very terrible time with FGW.
yes...sorry for the link on that one. I haven't ordered anything from FGW but I have read from other folks postings that they are not easy to deal with.
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Watch out for Action Arms...heard he has a bad rep...even with the ATF
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below is a reply I got from Mike when I asked which model uzi did they base there stamping on...
So if you're a perfectionist...you may want to wait to see if they correct the stampings.
I will correct it myself!

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A model, as that is what it's cut for.

The stencil for the "B" sight markings were already on the stamping dies before the correction to "A" type sights was done.
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The gang over there gave really fast and friendly replies at NDS. I'm going to wait on the parkerized version and work on educating myself on parts kits until then.
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The A/B thing really doesn't bother me much. My NDS UZI project is getting cut and modified anyways. I'm not too much of a traditionalist when it comes to builds.
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The gang over there gave really fast and friendly replies at NDS. I'm going to wait on the parkerized version and work on educating myself on parts kits until then.
Looks like they will be coming out with a semi bolt assembly for <$200 soon, so I'll be waiting and researching as this develops!
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Have mine on order also. also the bullet button looks very easy to make. will have an example in a few days to post.
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Me and my partners have developed a grip/magazine lock that you guys might be interested in. Our design is a very sleek grip that accommodates both a right and left handed shooter. We have a patent pending at the moment, and are currently in production with our first run. We are scheduled to have finished products by january 1.

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Me and my partners have developed a grip/magazine lock that you guys might be interested in. Our design is a very sleek grip that accommodates both a right and left handed shooter. We have a patent pending at the moment, and are currently in production with our first run. We are scheduled to have finished products by january 1.

Excellent. With the manufactures starting to make Uzi clones this will sell really well in the California market. I always wondered why someone didn't start making one, it was a sure money maker.
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NDS-1948 - Fully welded UZI receiver 922r. Parts Count
  1. Receiver - NDS-1948
  2. Barrel - USA available (many)
  3. Trunnion - NDS-1948
  4. Bolt - USA available
  5. Trigger housing - USA available (Group Industry)
  6. Trigger
  7. Sear - USA available
  8. Disconnector
  9. Buttstock - USA available
  10. Forearms - USA available
  11. Magazine Body - USA available
  12. Mag Floorplate - USA available
  13. Mag Follower - USA available

Note: Operating Rod part was not included in the ATF letter for the NDS-1948 Receiver. Although it was included with the Norinco 320 922r. Parts Count?!

Norinco 320 922r. Parts Count Letter: http://files.uzitalk.com/reference/pages/norincoATF.htm
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CALIFORNIA CONFIGURED UZI - Post SB23

Parts you can use from an UZI SMG Parts Kit:



  • (A) Barrel Ratchet
  • (B) Barrel Ratchet Spring
  • (C Barrel Nut
  • Model A Front Sight Assembly [(D) Front Post/ (E) Nut/ (F) Washer]
  • Model A Rear Sight Assembly [(G) Rear Sight/ (H) Screw/ (I) Nut/ (J) Spring]
  • (K) Top Cover Latch
  • (L) Top Cover Latch Spring
  • (M) Folding Stock (Has to be welded in the open position to meet length requirements.)
  • (N) Folding Stock Retainer and (O) Bolt
  • (R) Foregrip panels and screws
  • Front Sling Swivel
  • Magazine (Made into 10 rounders)
  • Ejector - Save for spare parts. NDS-1948 has one installed already.

UZI SMG Parts that can be Modified to work in the SA.
  • (P) SMG Trigger Housing - Can be modified to work as SA only (weld a blocking plate, so selector can not go into FA section) and drill Trigger Housing for the larger 9mm SA frame pin or use 8mm frame bushing.
  • (Q) SMG Ratcheting Top Cover - Can be modified to in a couple ways to work in a semi.
  • Quick Release SMG Wood stock - Can be made to work as a fixed wood stock.

Semi-Auto Parts Needed:
  • 16" (fixed stock) -22" (folding stock) barrel - depends on which stock is used or stock extension
  • Semi-Auto Bolt
  • Firing Pin/Striker assembly
  • Semi-Auto Recoil Spring
  • Semi-Auto Top Cover or modified SMG Top Cover
  • Semi-Auto Trigger Housing or modified SMG Trigger Housing(with Bullet Button)
  • Semi-Auto Trigger Housing frame pin (9mm) - SMG Grip uses 8mm frame pin (depends on what the receiver is drilled for)
  • Semi-Auto Buffer
Overall Lengths:

16" barrel with folding metal stock (folded)= ~24" OAL
.........Going to need a barrel to be 22" long (do not exist) to use this config, stock extension job will reduce the barrel a little.
16" barrel with metal stock welded open =~31" OAL

16" barrel with standard fixed wood stock or modified quick release SMG wood stock (Type 4)= ~31" OAL
.........UZI wood stocks also come in longer lengths of pull (Type 2 or custom US Extended length). The standard wooden stock (Type 4) is approx " shorter than an extended metal folding stock.

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