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Old 06-20-2006, 05:01 PM
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Default AB 352 (Microstamping) again in play (6/20/06)

06/20/2006 - AB 352 has been removed from the inactive file and is again in play. After a long period of inactivity, Koretz is again trying to move the issue of Microstamping. NRA requests members contact the Senate and voice your strong opposition to AB 352.

This bill would, commencing January 1, 2007, expand the definition of unsafe handgun to include semiautomatic pistols that are not designed and equipped with a microscopic array of characters, that identify the make, model, and serial number of the pistol, etched into the interior surface or internal working parts of the pistol, and which are transferred by imprinting on each cartridge case when the firearm is fired.

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FIX YOUR GUN - FACE A FELONY

In AB352, the proponents seek to mandate that all new semi-automatic handguns introduced in 2007 would be required to have information (make, model & serial number) about the firearm "micro-stamped" on the surface of parts of the handgun. This "micro-stamped" information would supposedly be transferred onto the cartridge case of the ammunition when it is fired.

The technology being mandated in AB352 has not been studied or tested in the real world and is only available from a single source and would create a government sanctioned monopoly for that company.

The advocates of AB352 claim that the addition of this requirement in the manufacturing of handguns for California will assist law enforcement by creating additional evidence for solving crimes. In committee hearings the author admitted that the “micro-stamped“ cartridge cases could not even be used for evidence!

There is NO SUPPORT from the California law enforcement organizations, That includes the California Police Chiefs Association (Cal Chiefs). The Police Officers Research Association of California (PORAC) opposes AB 352.

The parts of the handgun that would have the 25 microns deep (half the thickness of a fine human hair) "micro-stamping" etched on them can be easily replaced without the use of tools. The markings on the parts will also be degraded and easily erased with the normal wear and tear in using the handgun.

A review of federal law has revealed that AB352 would make the everyday practice of maintaining and repairing firearms (as outlined in the handgun owners’ manual) a felony. If a person needed to replace commonly worn out “micro-stamped” parts to keep their handgun safely operating, that person would be violating Federal law because the alteration, removal and obliteration of a manufacturer’s or importer's markings on those parts carries the penalty of up to ten years in federal prison and $250,000.00 fine. If AB352 becomes law: If you “FIX YOUR GUN you FACE A FELONY.”

Mike

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Old 06-20-2006, 08:21 PM
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Oh God...this guy doesn't quit does he? I believe it was Enstein that said someone who tries to do something over and over again is insane. Insane In the Membrane Koretz!
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Old 06-20-2006, 08:43 PM
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Mike, we have seen this lame *** law more than twice now, how come we dont see a push from our guys in power to have a approved AW list or maybe a CCW reform bill?

It seems like one of these times this thing is going to pass why dont we meet him with a wacky bill each time he trys to get us with one?

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Old 06-21-2006, 12:23 AM
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Smokescreen legislation that cries "Look at me everyone, I'm actually doing something!". Nice legacy building, Koretz!
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Old 06-21-2006, 01:13 AM
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Flippin moron is not enough of an insult for this man. My four year old niece has more original thoughts in one second than that guy has in one year.
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Old 06-21-2006, 01:42 AM
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Default my one-click email: NO (again) on AB 352 (Koretz)

I copied the talking points Mike listed as part of the email, hope that's ok.
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Dear Senator,
Unbelievably, Assemblymember Koretz’s ridiculous ‘handgun microstamping’ bill is again in play. This bill should die for the same reasons it died when it was first introduced. It is completely unworkable. As a refresher as to why this bill would be useless:

In AB352, the proponents seek to mandate that all new semi-automatic handguns introduced in 2007 would be required to have information (make, model & serial number) about the firearm "micro-stamped" on the surface of parts of the handgun. This "micro-stamped" information would supposedly be transferred onto the cartridge case of the ammunition when it is fired.

The advocates of AB352 claim that the addition of this requirement in the manufacturing of handguns for California will assist law enforcement by creating additional evidence for solving crimes. In committee hearings the author admitted that the “micro-stamped“ cartridge cases could not even be used for evidence!

There is NO SUPPORT from the California law enforcement organizations, That includes the California Police Chiefs Association (Cal Chiefs). The Police Officers Research Association of California (PORAC) opposes AB 352.

The parts of the handgun that would have the 25 microns deep (half the thickness of a fine human hair) "micro-stamping" etched on them can be easily replaced without the use of tools. The markings on the parts will also be degraded and easily erased with the normal wear and tear in using the handgun.

A review of federal law has revealed that AB352 would make the everyday practice of maintaining and repairing firearms (as outlined in the handgun owners’ manual) a felony. If a person needed to replace commonly worn out “micro-stamped” parts to keep their handgun safely operating, that person would be violating Federal law because the alteration, removal and obliteration of a manufacturer’s or importer's markings on those parts carries the penalty of up to ten years in federal prison and $250,000.00 fine. If AB352 becomes law: If you “FIX YOUR GUN you FACE A FELONY.”

The technology being mandated in AB352 has not been studied or tested in the real world and is only available from a single source and would create a government sanctioned monopoly for that company.

The cost to manufacturers to design and implement ‘microstamping’ parts to their guns and the added expense that will inevitably be passed down to Californian gun owners has been grossly and negligently underestimated. This bill is wholly unworkable and naively unrealistic.

I sincerely believe that Assemblymember Koretz should receive a public reprimand for wasting the legislature’s valuable time with this ill-thought out bill. He obviously has no working knowledge of firearms design and function, nor an accurate view of the root causes of gun crimes (ie. the CRIMINALS), so he proposes a bill that would inconvenience and possibly create felons out of lawful Californian gun owners.

Please vote against AB 352 (Koretz)

Sincerely yours,
LeoC
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The manufacturer of the microstamping equipment is heavily lobbying for this bill. That is the only reason it is still in existence, and they are directly responsible for this bill. They're the ones convincing the politicians that it is feasable, even though it's already been examined and considered a waste of time, money and resources. The same with the Serialized Ammunition... There is only one company that is really pushing this.
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Old 06-21-2006, 01:55 AM
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Oh please tell us who the manufacture is? A little cash in Kortez's freezer?

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The manufacturer of the microstamping equipment is heavily lobbying for this bill. That is the only reason it is still in existence, and they are directly responsible for this bill. They're the ones convincing the politicians that it is feasable, even though it's already been examined and considered a waste of time, money and resources. The same with the Serialized Ammunition... There is only one company that is really pushing this.

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Old 06-21-2006, 06:00 AM
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I don't know who it is. I heard the report of their 'pitch' from someone in firearms forensics. From what I gathered even the proprietor of the technology knows how worthless it is, but is still pushing it because it will make him rich.
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Old 06-21-2006, 06:19 AM
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Dont these people know what a brass catcher is ?

If this thing wood pass it would just be a logistical nightmare.

John does gun was stolen so thats one that we can take off the list of firing pin serial numbers or at least maybe that would be one they would be on the lookout for more ?

Whats wrong with balistic tests the way they are now ?
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