New Cali Legal Ak Approved By Doj!!!!

Solidsnake87 · #1 06-19-2006, 11:13 PM

Supposedly there is a new cali legal ak. I just stumbled on the link to it. They don't have any further info on it other than its CA legal and approved by the doj. Here is the link http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/index.html Does anybody have any further info on it???? I'm gonna be pissed if its a good gun cuz I just got my parts kit and ordered my NDS-3.

PanzerAce · #2 06-19-2006, 11:15 PM

looks illegal as hell to me, but maybe they just dont have a real picture up yet. Plus, 750 for a AK? maybe for 2 or 3, but not for just one.

Charliegone · #3 06-19-2006, 11:18 PM

You have got to be s***** me man?

I would have to guess that it is either in some way similar to the PAR's pump action or NOT semi-auto.

**blkA4alb** · #4 06-19-2006, 11:18 PM

Removed piston/gas block area? Bolt action?

bwiese · #5 06-19-2006, 11:19 PM

Could be a manually-cycled gun on off-list receiver - i.e., no gas system, closed gas port.

Therefore, it's not a semauto rifle - therefore, it's not an AW. Therefore, it's legal, and can take a detachable mag.

PanzerAce · #6 06-19-2006, 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by blkA4alb

Removed piston/gas block area? Bolt action?

+1. assuming that the picture they have is actually what it looks like, that seems to be the only way it could go.

But am I the only one that thinks that 750 is a little much for a nuetered AK?

thmpr · #7 06-19-2006, 11:22 PM

Interesting.... I wonder how they fixed the mag since the DOJ has claimed the mags must be permanently fixed to the rifle...

PanzerAce · #8 06-19-2006, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by thmpr

Interesting.... I wonder how they fixed the mag since the DOJ has claimed the mags must be permanently fixed to the rifle...

I dont think it is a fixed mag, since even then it would be illegal (looks like a 30 rounder to me). So im laying my money on a no gas system rifle...

Charliegone · #9 06-19-2006, 11:26 PM

Hmm I wonder who's making them? Vulcan, Armory/Global, Vector, Red Jacket, ORF, Ewbanks?

**blkA4alb** · #10 06-19-2006, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Charliegone

Hmm I wonder who's making them? Vulcan, Armory/Global, Vector, Red Jacket, ORF, Ewbanks?

Knowing our luck, Hesse

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thmpr · #11 06-19-2006, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PanzerAce

I dont think it is a fixed mag, since even then it would be illegal (looks like a 30 rounder to me). So im laying my money on a no gas system rifle...

Hey Panzer... I think your right.... I want to see a closer pic of it... i wouldnt buy it...$750....damn thats steep!

EBWhite · #12 06-19-2006, 11:30 PM

I bet it is a hesse mess! Its prob semi auto with a fixed mag that is welded onto the receiver.

Charliegone · #13 06-19-2006, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by blkA4alb

Knowing our luck, Hesse

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I sure hope not.

PLINK · #14 06-19-2006, 11:31 PM

So is someone going to follow up with Alantic Firearms to get the 411? Not that I really care at that price but would like to see their letter of DOJ opinion.

PanzerAce · #15 06-19-2006, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by EBWhite

I bet it is a hesse mess! Its prob semi auto with a fixed mag that is welded onto the receiver.

why the 30 rounder then? also, I dont think any company would sell a firearm that you had to partially disasemble to load

(Im not counting the AR, cause thats a matter of one pin)

EBWhite · #16 06-19-2006, 11:40 PM

Maybe its a 30rd mag converted to 10 rds?

I do agree with you Panzer, it is most likely bolt action which is worthless....

PanzerAce · #17 06-19-2006, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by EBWhite

Maybe its a 30rd mag converted to 10 rds?

I do agree with you Panzer, it is most likely bolt action which is worthless....

well....not ENTIRELY worthless, I would give them 10 bucks for it, just to take the trigger assembly and the like off it and put them in my NDS-3

handbook · #18 06-20-2006, 1:13 AM

look at the picture's filename: V47classicpoly1.jpg
even looks similar to the crap on Vulcan's website

Ford8N · #19 06-20-2006, 6:15 AM

I would really like to see the documentation and correspondence that Atlantic and the DOJ had about making an AK Kali legal. Someone should ask Atlantic for a copy of the "permission slip" from the DOJ and post it here. I asked Entreprise for a copy of their "permission slip" from the DOJ about the FAL and they wouldn't show it to me. I like to see things in writing.

And it would help show some of the FFL's in this state, who say anyone getting an OLL is going to go to jail, that AK's have the DOJ's blessing.

rssslvr · #20 06-20-2006, 4:46 PM

They are built by Red jacket arms and built on an armory usa receiver.The mag is fixed and is 10rnd.They load from the side(oops loads from the rear)of the mag with the right hand while the left hand compresses the spring with a lever.They have a DOJ letter of aproval.I talked to a guy named Blane at atlantic just a few min ago

downey · #21 06-20-2006, 4:58 PM

Do they have a letter of approval for the AR-15 as well?

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/prog...asp?Prodid=213

"approved by the CA Dept of Justice and comes with approval letter"

Liberty Rules · #22 06-20-2006, 5:00 PM

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Originally Posted by rssslvr

I talked to a guy named Blane at atlantic just a few min ago

Blaine runs the show at Atlantic so that IS the horse's mouth, so to speak.

Atlantic is a good vendor.

thmpr · #23 06-20-2006, 5:01 PM

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Originally Posted by downey

Do they have a letter of approval for the AR-15 as well?

http://www.atlanticfirearms.com/prog...asp?Prodid=213

"approved by the CA Dept of Justice and comes with approval letter"

Is it truly permanent?

Solidsnake87 · #24 06-20-2006, 5:05 PM

I just got an e-mail back. He respnded to my questions as follows:

Is it really true that there is a cali legal AK? yes that is why we list it as such Can you give me more info about it????? Is the picture on your site the real picture of the firearm????????it is a picture of the prototype yes Is it made in the US? yes does it use the AK parts or action?yes it is a AK47 is that a 10 rnd mag disguised as a 30 rnd mag?WE ARE NOW BUILDING THEM WITH A FIXED 20 ROUND MAG BODY BUT IT WILL ONLY ACCEPT A MAX CAPACITY OF 10 ROUNDS Is it a fixed mag???????????YES PER THE CA DOJ REQUIREMENTS How does it load if fixed??? WE HAVE A PATENTED DESIGN THAT ALLOWS LOADING FROM THE REAR OF THE MAG

Solidsnake87 · #25 06-20-2006, 5:05 PM

I sent another e-mail asking about whether it is semi or not but i'm waiting for the reply

rssslvr · #26 06-20-2006, 5:10 PM

He told me that yes it is semi auto,He said it is an AK and the only thing that is different is the mag is permenatly attached and the mag itself

sac7000 · #27 06-20-2006, 5:41 PM

Whoever is able to get a copy of the DOJ approval letter, be sure and post it so that others can download and print it out to show FFL's who are afraid to transfer.

PanzerAce · #28 06-20-2006, 5:43 PM

well, I guess we know how it works, but I still would not pay 750 for a fixed mag AK. (Or, for that matter, any AK, exluding stuff like the PSL)

sac7000 · #29 06-20-2006, 5:44 PM

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Originally Posted by thmpr

Is it truly permanent?

I dunno, according to the last memo from DOJ nothing is permanent.

rssslvr · #30 06-20-2006, 5:44 PM

Call atlantic and ask them to fax a copy I am sure they would.I would do it but I don't have a fax machine right now

rssslvr · #31 06-20-2006, 5:45 PM

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Originally Posted by PanzerAce

well, I guess we know how it works, but I still would not pay 750 for a fixed mag AK. (Or, for that matter, any AK, exluding stuff like the PSL)

Yeah 750 is pretty steep

sac7000 · #32 06-20-2006, 5:59 PM

Just fired off a " request to purchase " to Atlantic along with a request for a copy of the DOJ approval letter so that my local FLL will transfer the weapon.

I'll post photos as soon as the deal is complete and weapon is shipped to my FFL

sac7000 · #33 06-20-2006, 6:01 PM

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Originally Posted by rssslvr

Yeah 750 is pretty steep

Yeah it's steep but wtf, it's only money.... And if you put on plastic it's like you don't even notice it missing...

rssslvr · #34 06-20-2006, 6:04 PM

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Originally Posted by sac7000

Yeah it's steep but wtf, it's only money.... And if you put on plastic it's like you don't even notice it missing...

I wish I could have that kind of attitude about it

JHC · #35 06-20-2006, 6:09 PM

Looks like they used this guys idea on their mag
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...fixed+mag+idea

Blue · #36 06-20-2006, 6:17 PM

This is the response they gave me:

"Real AK with threaded barrel, flash hider, bayonet lug etc, the rifle has a fixed mag with a patented design that allows loading from the rear of the mag, the rifle has been approved by the CA DOJ and comes with a copy of the approval letter etc. "

JPglee1 · #37 06-20-2006, 6:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Solidsnake87

WE HAVE A PATENTED DESIGN THAT ALLOWS LOADING FROM THE REAR OF THE MAG

Hrm, I have working drawings of that exact same idea/setup that I drew and then sent certified, return-receipt thru the USPS to myself in 2001, wonder who came up with it "first" hehehe

JP

Fate · #38 06-20-2006, 7:24 PM

I'd like to see the DOJ approval letter for their AR-15.

dmckean44 · #39 06-20-2006, 7:24 PM

When someone gets one of these post some pictures so we can see how it loads. If it's easy enought I might be interested in one.

I wonder how difficult it would be to convert one of these back after I move to a free state.

sac7000 · #40 06-20-2006, 7:43 PM

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Originally Posted by bdgfate

I'd like to see the DOJ approval letter for their AR-15.

Waiting for FAX to come in from ATlantic right now...they may have closed the shop for the day so I may not get it till tomorrow morning..

I will post it upon it's arrival for all to see.....

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