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Old 11-01-2010, 12:32 AM
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Since CCW is impossible in Northen California, is the Taser C2 legal to carry in Solano, Napa and Contra Costa County?
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It's not impossible.

The Taser is legal state-wide.
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Old 11-01-2010, 9:28 AM
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It's not impossible.

The Taser is legal state-wide.

This! I'll possibly sell my C2 after I'm finished getting my CCW.
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This! I'll possibly sell my C2 after I'm finished getting my CCW.

Don't do it. You'll still need the Taser. There're times when you won't be able to shoot someone.

I'm not getting rid of mine...
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Don't do it. You'll still need the Taser. There're times when you won't be able to shoot someone.

I'm not getting rid of mine...


I'll still keep OC on me, but I won't carry my firearm and the taser.
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I will be picking up a Taser, and keeping it when (not if) I get my CCW.

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Man you guys are lucky =p we cant even possess a taser in our home let alone have one on our persons.
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Interesting point - What ARE the rules of engagement with a Taser for a non-LEO?
Pretty much the same as for a cop. If you need to use it to defend yourself, use it.

To add: You'll need to be able to justify why you used it, what the threat was, etc. so that you're not charged with battery yourself.
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Interesting point - What ARE the rules of engagement with a Taser for a non-LEO?
I think you'd be well advised to tase only those you'd be justified in shooting. Even if the taser itself is harmless, an uncontrolled fall is a good way to break your neck.
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I think you'd be well advised to tase only those you'd be justified in shooting. Even if the taser itself is harmless, an uncontrolled fall is a good way to break your neck.

That's not true at all. If you're justified to shoot, then you shoot. You don't Tase.
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Man you guys are lucky =p we cant even possess a taser in our home let alone have one on our persons.
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Is it legal to carry a TASER C2?

Yes. It is legal in the United States except in Hawaii, Massachusetts, Michigan, New York, New Jersey, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, and the District of Columbia. Additional cities, counties, and countries might have other restrictions on the use or possession of the TASER C2 device so check all applicable laws and regulations carefully. Federal law prohibits carrying or shipping TASER devices out of the U.S.
So this is something that could make it to the courts, especially if we start getting strict scrutiny due to McDonald & Heller, no?

WI has been in the news a lot lately regarding this issue (not exactly for taser carry), so why shouldn't this issue start to get some attention in those states where they are illegal? Will it take a "test case", or will someone have to come in and file a 1983 claim over this? In those states above (with the exception of MI I think) all forms of carry are prohibited for the use of SD/P, so it's obvious to me that these kinds of prohibitions are in serious constitutional jeopardy. Am I wrong?

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I think you'd be well advised to tase only those you'd be justified in shooting. Even if the taser itself is harmless, an uncontrolled fall is a good way to break your neck.
I have a patient who received a flu shot at work. He experienced a delayed vasovagal reaction about ten minutes later while standing on marble tile in the restroom.

He awakened about 2 weeks later after having been in the ICU for a subdural bleed and suffered from lingering neurological damage including missing all but 1/4th of his visual fields.

A fall, even from ground level, is always a potentially serious injury.
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That's not true at all. If you're justified to shoot, then you shoot. You don't Tase.
I think that he was pointing out the problem with carrying a taser and a firearm. You may only be justified in using the taser is you were already justified in using your firearm.

Thinking that it is a much lower level of provocation that is allowed when using a taser might get one into legal trouble.
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It's not impossible.

The Taser is legal state-wide.

Impossible for Solano COunty judging by the chart
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So this is something that could make it to the courts, especially if we start getting strict scrutiny due to McDonald & Heller, no?

WI has been in the news a lot lately regarding this issue (not exactly for taser carry), so why shouldn't this issue start to get some attention in those states where they are illegal? Will it take a "test case", or will someone have to come in and file a 1983 claim over this? In those states above (with the exception of MI I think) all forms of carry are prohibited for the use of SD/P, so it's obvious to me that these kinds of prohibitions are in serious constitutional jeopardy. Am I wrong?

Erik.

I don't feel that tasers pass the Miller test (arms in common use).

I don't feel that there is really any supporting government interest that would ban their use. I just need a J.D. who feels the same way =p.

Not sure what your meaning about "all forms of carry are prohibited for the use of sd/p", I was pretty sure only Hawaii and Illinois were some of the only states in the country where no one has any form of carry, be it open, concealed, loaded or unloaded.
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That's not true at all. If you're justified to shoot, then you shoot. You don't Tase.
If you're justified to shoot, and have a firearm, you shoot. The original poster was looking to tasers as a firearm alternative where CCW was not an option.

For cops, tasers are an alternative to nightsticks and wrestling. They need to control someone they're going to arrest. But I'd stand by my assertion that (for legal risk reasons, not moral ones) civilians shouldn't tase when a shooting wouldn't be justified.

I'm sure we can come up with counterexamples, but I doubt it would be a productive conversation. This is just a rule of thumb.
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(regarding getting rid of a taser when you get a ccw)

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Don't do it. You'll still need the Taser. There're times when you won't be able to shoot someone.
Hmm, I'd worry about sitting in front of a jury with some prosecutor asking why I didn't use the taser instead of shooting the guy with the knife. I wonder if there have been any cases like that.
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I'd worry about sitting in front of a jury with some prosecutor asking why I didn't use the taser instead of shooting the guy with the knife. I wonder if there have been any cases like that.
That's why you get training, study and prepare so that when your SHTF moment comes you'll know what to do, why you do it and why you didn't do something else. Etc.
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Hmm, I'd worry about sitting in front of a jury with some prosecutor asking why I didn't use the taser instead of shooting the guy with the knife. I wonder if there have been any cases like that.


Look up escalation of force/continuum of force ladder, you'll rarely find a solo cop pull a taser against an armed assailant and would draw their service weapon almost instantly if they felt that their life or someone elses was in danger.
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Hmm, I'd worry about sitting in front of a jury with some prosecutor asking why I didn't use the taser instead of shooting the guy with the knife. I wonder if there have been any cases like that.
If you're pulling a Taser on a guy with a knife, you're wrong.

Knife = Gun = Lethal Force
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Look up escalation of force/continuum of force ladder, you'll rarely find a solo cop pull a taser against an armed assailant and would draw their service weapon almost instantly if they felt that their life or someone elses was in danger.
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Question for those stating its impossible to get a CCW in Solano County:
Are you aware of the current CalGuns Foundation work going on??

Second, have you made a donation to the defense fund, directly to Solano County? I only see 3 peoples names on there.

The fight to freedom is not going to be won with questions in a forum....its going to be won with intimidation, expensive Lawyers wearing business suits, and courtrooms.
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Since CCW is impossible in Northen California, is the Taser C2 legal to carry in Solano, Napa and Contra Costa County?
I'm selling an X26 if your interested.
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I'm selling an X26 if your interested.
What is it about those that makes Taser only sell them to cops? I'd rather have one of those than a C2, which looks much harder to aim.
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What is it about those that makes Taser only sell them to cops? I'd rather have one of those than a C2, which looks much harder to aim.
They sell to civilians, but they're more expensive than the C2. You can get the C2 with a laser. Not hard to aim at all.
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