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Old 10-31-2010, 8:25 PM
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Question Q: Legality of Wallet Holsters? Pocket Holsters?

I was reading articles re the CCWer who killed a BG who was committing armed robbery of a AA group (#17 of my examples of CCWs saving lives), and read that the GG used a Keltec in a pocket holster in his rear pocket.

IIRC, wallet holsters are ILLEGAL in the PRK (formerly the great state of California). Is that true? (slightly OT: "Right People", are there plans to attack this law too?)

That got me to wondering if pocket holsters, like DeSantis Nemesis, are illegal. Are they?
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Not wallet holsters - wallet guns:
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(4) As used in this section, a "wallet gun" means any firearm
mounted or enclosed in a case, resembling a wallet, designed to be or
capable of being carried in a pocket or purse, if the firearm may be
fired while mounted or enclosed in the case
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Old 10-31-2010, 8:56 PM
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Thanks, Librarian.

It sounds like a "normal" gun when put in a "wallet holster" becomes a "wallet gun," which is illegal.

So, specifically, while wallet holsters are legal, carrying a gun in one is illegal?

Does that apply at your place of residence? Place of business (assuming owner's permission)? No exceptions?

Are pocket holsters A-Okay?
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its a 12020 violation, which applies everywhere, no business exceptions.

However, if the gun is registered as an AOW, then it is exempt from 12020.


And it is also illegal federally, unless the handgun is registered as an AOW.
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It sounds like a "normal" gun when put in a "wallet holster" becomes a "wallet gun," which is illegal.

So, specifically, while wallet holsters are legal, carrying a gun in one is illegal?
No, what you can't have is a holster that allows the gun to be fired without removing it. A holster that looks like a wallet is perfectly fine, but if the wallet has a trigger hole, that is not ok. That's my understanding.

I'm pretty sure that all the commercially available wallet holsters these days do not have a hole for the accessing the trigger so they're ok.

As k6 says, there's also a federal issue.



The linked website has a longer discussion. From the linked ATF letter, the issue is, does the wallet holster conceal the fact that it's a gun? If so, it becomes an AOW (similar to a pen gun, belt buckle gun, gadget guns) which is a federal issue.
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Thanks for the info, all.

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No, what you can't have is a holster that allows the gun to be fired without removing it. A holster that looks like a wallet is perfectly fine, but if the wallet has a trigger hole, that is not ok. That's my understanding.

I'm pretty sure that all the commercially available wallet holsters these days do not have a hole for the accessing the trigger so they're ok.

As k6 says, there's also a federal issue.



The linked website has a longer discussion. From the linked ATF letter, the issue is, does the wallet holster conceal the fact that it's a gun? If so, it becomes an AOW (similar to a pen gun, belt buckle gun, gadget guns) which is a federal issue.
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Just found the article I had read re. the CCWer using a wallet holstered gun (.32 Keltec). This article also has a photo and it sure looks like those wallet holsters have holes for the trigger and support fingers! Unfortunately, I can't tell if the slides are enclosed too.



You can read the (biased) MSNBC article at:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34714389/ns/us_news-life/
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Illegal in the city of Los Angeles.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=112946

SEC. 55.16. SALE OF ULTRACOMPACT FIREARMS PROHIBITED.

(e) No dealer or other person shall sell, lend, give, transfer ownership of, or otherwise transfer to any other person any firearm accessory designed to enable or facilitate the carrying of any ultracompact firearm, including but not limited to shoulder holsters, ankle holsters, belt holsters, and other devices designed for the purpose of aiding the concealment of an ultracompact firearm, unless such accessory is designed so that it can be used with a firearm larger than an ultracompact firearm.

EDIT: Apparently not illegal to possess.
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This is an interesting thread and it seems like the issue is not clear cut. Mindful that the person in question had a holster designed to be fired from without unsheathing the weapon.

Know our laws don't make much sense, but what's the difference with a woman carrying a compact firearm in her purse and firing through the purse if needed to stop an attacker, or a man carrying in his coat pocket and doing the same? It just doesn't make sense, YES I KNOW WE ARE IN THE PRofK.
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If you had the firearm registered as an AOW you can use it in a shoot thru wallet holster. It meets the disguised firearm portion of the AOW section of the NFA act. I don't belive this was always the case with wallet holsters. I am trying to fond if there is a technology branch letter stating the ATF's opinion on it.
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