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Old 06-12-2006, 6:17 PM
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Default What exactly is M2 Ball?

Well, I hope my M1 Garand shipping here in about 3 weeks. I am wanting to stock upo on ammo but I been told I need 30-06 M2 Ball. What is M2 Ball exactly? Does this mean I can go to Walmart and buy a box of 30-06 and shoot it? I found some surplus, but I wanna make sure they will still be making new production ammo. What kind of ammo can I actually shoot of this thing? thanks
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Old 06-12-2006, 6:23 PM
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M2 ball is .30 cal., based on the 1906 cartridge, using a 152-gr. flat based lead core jacketed projo at approx. 2800 fps.

walmart does not sell it or anything really like it.

you need the real thing.

order lots now from the CMP it is a great deal. the Greek is GREAT stuff.

next best is PS Korean.

after that you should consider the FNM M2 ball.
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Old 06-12-2006, 6:23 PM
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BUNGHOLE (almost forgot)
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Old 06-13-2006, 11:02 AM
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Just order some directly from CMP e-Store. It's all online and quite easy at a VERY good price. Fed Ex will deliver it to your door. You don't need any paperwork filed as the Greek is listed as commercial ammo. So just give a CC and viola, its on the way.

The Greek ammo they currently have is top notch (it will be used at Camp Perry Matches this summer) and made for the Garand. It even comes in the garand clips right out of the can! Now, I would shy away from the current LC that they have for sale, it has been delinked and was not intended for the Garand (plus is costs more). Some shooters have found it to be a little hot for the Garand and it doesn't shoot nearly as well as the Greek. Check it out. Runs 192rnd/$45 +$9 s/h. or buy a case for $168 plus $38 shipping.
Pics of the ammo:
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http://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalo...ogList&cat=AMC
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Old 06-13-2006, 12:16 PM
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Just order some directly from CMP e-Store. It's all online and quite easy at a VERY good price. Fed Ex will deliver it to your door. You don't need any paperwork filed as the Greek is listed as commercial ammo. So just give a CC and viola, its on the way.

The Greek ammo they currently have is top notch (it will be used at Camp Perry Matches this summer) and made for the Garand. It even comes in the garand clips right out of the can! Now, I would shy away from the current LC that they have for sale, it has been delinked and was not intended for the Garand (plus is costs more). Some shooters have found it to be a little hot for the Garand and it doesn't shoot nearly as well as the Greek. Check it out. Runs 192rnd/$45 +$9 s/h. or buy a case for $168 plus $38 shipping.
Pics of the ammo:
http://www.odcmp.com/ammo.htm
Access the E-Store:
http://estore.odcmp.com/store/catalo...ogList&cat=AMC
As far as the delinked LC ammo is concerned, M2 ball is M2 ball. It doesn't matter how it was packed (linked, in clips, boxed). It is all loaded to the same specifications. The delinked ammo is fine in Garands.

I would go with the Greek. Any Greek surplus I have used was very good stuff.
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Old 06-13-2006, 12:46 PM
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the LC is underpowered, not overpowered.
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Old 06-13-2006, 12:51 PM
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This is M2 Ball.

So is this.

And this as well

LC67 in boxes:


Greek HXP in boxes:


Greek HXP on enbloc clips:
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Sorry for the noob question, but when the M2 ball runs out you CAN or CAN NOT use commercial 30-06? And if not are there any "close" commercial rounds that will work?
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cannot use the stuff over the counter at wally world. it overstresses the op rod.
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Old 06-13-2006, 2:26 PM
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Sorry for the noob question, but when the M2 ball runs out you CAN or CAN NOT use commercial 30-06? And if not are there any "close" commercial rounds that will work?
No CAN or CANNOT. Only SHOULD NOT.

Unless the ammunition manufacturer tells you what propellant is used and how much of that propellant is used in that specific lot of ammo, you should not use that ammo in an M1 Garand.

If you get an adjustable gas plug, you should be able to use any commercial .30-06 safely, in a Garand.

Then, of course, there is handloading/reloading, which is what every shooting enthusiast should be capable of.
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As far as the delinked LC ammo is concerned, M2 ball is M2 ball. It doesn't matter how it was packed (linked, in clips, boxed). It is all loaded to the same specifications. The delinked ammo is fine in Garands.

I would go with the Greek. Any Greek surplus I have used was very good stuff.
Actually, when I was talking to some other shooters at the CMP Western Games last November, some had complaints about the LC with purple primer sealant. They found that it was too hot (higher than expected recoil, even blowing open a trigger guard during firing on one rifle). They pulled some rounds and found mixed powder (extruded and ball powder in one case). This is all second hand, so I can't confirm it. All of the LC I've laid my hands on had red primer sealant. All of the LC I've fired did not appear to be 'hot'.
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As far as the delinked LC ammo is concerned, M2 ball is M2 ball. It doesn't matter how it was packed (linked, in clips, boxed). It is all loaded to the same specifications. The delinked ammo is fine in Garands.

I would go with the Greek. Any Greek surplus I have used was very good stuff.
In general I agree that M2 is M2. But the LC in question does shoot different. Maybe this lot is loaded different, maybe this lot was exposed to vibrations somewhere that caused some breakdown of the powder... Heck I don't know why it is different, is shouldn't be but it is. It works fine in the 03, just seems to kick more to some, but the M1s donot work 100% with it. Since we all agree that the Greek is better and it is cheaper, I was just passing on some sound advice to a newbe to avoid the current LC that CMP is selling.
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Old 06-13-2006, 3:31 PM
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I can absolutely guarantee that the LC69 I bought from CMP loafs along at a leisurely 2500 FPS or so.

I have no doubt that it is gen-u-wine M2 ball, but I also do not doubt that it is underwhelming.
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Another key difference is that M2 Ball must have a stiff primer.
The firing pin of the M1 floats and actually dimples the primer when the bolt slams home, so an ordinary commercial round could slamfire.

You might get good pricing from various places on Govt Surplus, but that isn't your only possible source --- it IS made and sold commercially, but be sure to check the vendor's specifications before doing so.
I bought a case of PMC "30-06 SPRG" (coded 3006C) from Traders in the East Bay a year ago. Works just fine.

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I have reloaded quite regularly for mine, after looking at some Garand target shooting nut sites. I was a little surprised at some of the powders being used for primo groups i.e. H380, I worked up some loads with that powder and was pleased with the results, light recoil, rifle cycled fine, no obvious pressure problems. Good groups, for my rifle.
I know what powder is supposed to be loaded and understand why, however there are suitible substitutes. Also, I have used Winchester white box 147gr. with no problem. Although I have not done any research on pressure or velocity for that round. Anyone have info on that stuff?
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