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Old 10-23-2010, 11:21 PM
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Tell me what Im doing wrong. Im shooting a full size Springfield Loaded with a two-handed thumbs-high grip. I would like to know what I need to do to get my groups more centered. Thanks.

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Adjust the sights to the right? Have you try benching the gun to see where it shoots?
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Work on trigger control (your right handed, right?) and see if the group shifts right. Then shoot some groups left handed. If they are all still to the left, adjust your rear sight.
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i noticed my first time shooting paper targets was very inaccurate, 2nd time out i put a firmer grip and everything was alot more accurate
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Could this help you out?

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Too much grip w/ the primary hand and not enough grip with the support hand.
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Aim to the right.
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Aim to the right.
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Here's my critique.
Your target is very beautiful.
I like how you used the negative space to
create an asymmetric balance.
Good use of curved lines.
The negative space seems to lead the
viewers' eyes into the bullseye. Which would
be the focal point of the piece.
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all i can say is those are some damn clean holes....
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all i can say is those are some damn clean holes....
I thought so too...

jak77, where you shooting wadcutters or was the target printed on some good quality paper or something?
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Too much grip w/ the primary hand and not enough grip with the support hand.
^ this was my excuse.
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There is no way to do a diagnostics just by looking at the target.

Just suggesting what might have happened is all that can be done. That may not be helpful, and can even be misleading.
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Too much grip w/ the primary hand and not enough grip with the support hand.
Yup, and you're probably squeezing the hand as you squeeze the trigger. Make sure your grip is consistent and your sight alignment doesn't change shot to shot. Index the trigger on the 1st pad of your finger and press straight back - don't let your whole hand squeeze the trigger.

What distance was that?
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How do you know if the sights are on center already? Is this a gun that you have fired and know that it's adjusted to your sight picture?

I would lean toward adjusting the sight for the distance that you are shooting. If it's 25 yards, I would take it about 5-6 clicks to the right and MAYBE 1 click up and give it another go.

If your target distance is shorter than that, then adjust the sights accordingly.

Your group is great, it appears that your sights are off just a touch.
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Press the trigger straight back and let the break surprise you. Don't anticipate it.
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Bench the gun at 45' or so and do it again. If you can keep a consistent pattern over there, move your rear sight to the right.
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Here's my critique.
Your target is very beautiful.
I like how you used the negative space to
create an asymmetric balance.
Good use of curved lines.
The negative space seems to lead the
viewers' eyes into the bullseye. Which would
be the focal point of the piece.
This is the first thing I thought of when I saw the title.
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Get the trigger worked on the pull is so heavy that you will push everything to the left.It looks like you are shooting very well.I will say its the gun not you.
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Get a snap cap and see if you're pulling the gun around. I had the same pattern and with assistance from a trainer found I had bad grip, too much force with the primary hand and also my trigger finger pull was moving the gun considerably.
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Could you be shooting right handed but be left eye dominant. If you are and you're not adjusting for it your point of impact will be different from you point of aim. Make sure you're right eye dominant.
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Here's my critique.
Your target is very beautiful.
I like how you used the negative space to
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Good use of curved lines.
The negative space seems to lead the
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Too much grip w/ the primary hand and not enough grip with the support hand.
Ok will try this next time and see if that helps. Thanks.

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Aim to the right.
I knew some one would say this lol. I would like my weapon to hit point of aim though

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I thought so too...

jak77, where you shooting wadcutters or was the target printed on some good quality paper or something?
Yup. 200gr lswc in front of 5 grains of Bullseye.

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Yup, and you're probably squeezing the hand as you squeeze the trigger. Make sure your grip is consistent and your sight alignment doesn't change shot to shot. Index the trigger on the 1st pad of your finger and press straight back - don't let your whole hand squeeze the trigger.

What distance was that?
Ill try and work on that and see if it helps. I do some dry firing and my sight picture doesnt move when the trigger breaks though.

Im gonna guess the distance to be about 15-20 yards. I never know at the stupid Firing Line, they dont have markers telling you the distance, so I just have to eyeball it.


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How do you know if the sights are on center already? Is this a gun that you have fired and know that it's adjusted to your sight picture?

I would lean toward adjusting the sight for the distance that you are shooting. If it's 25 yards, I would take it about 5-6 clicks to the right and MAYBE 1 click up and give it another go.

If your target distance is shorter than that, then adjust the sights accordingly.

Your group is great, it appears that your sights are off just a touch.
The sights are set the same the came back from the factory so I just assume there centered. Got it as a brand new Springfield Loaded with the combat sights. Can I adjust these sights?? I thought they were fixed.

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Could you be shooting right handed but be left eye dominant. If you are and you're not adjusting for it your point of impact will be different from you point of aim. Make sure you're right eye dominant.
I hope not. This would suck, my left eye has bad vision, whereas my right is really good. Im going to check right now to make sure.
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Okay Im about 99% sure that Im right eye dominant.
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most 1911 45's are dead nuts. Have someone else watch you shoot, or video your stage. It's still the four fundamentals, stance, grip, sight picture and trigger control.
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The shot group in the target looks consistent. Just move the rear sight to the right, and shoot the same way everytime. That is how I used to teach the new ones. Just focus more on the front sight.
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The shot group in the target looks consistent. Just move the rear sight to the right, and shoot the same way everytime. That is how I used to teach the new ones. Just focus more on the front sight.
^Negative^

Do not adjust until you have someone that you know is accurate with a 1911 confirm your POI. Try the gun off a rest also. I would say it's 90% or greater probability that it's you. That's not a ding on you, just how it is. I have seen a number of right handed shooters do that very same thing, grouping tighter than you are. One guy especially stands out since he was on POA/POI with his revolver but making an essentially one-hole group about 3" left with his new Kimber. He was stubborn about wanting to adjust his sights right away. Since I went through the same thing at one time, I shot his gun to show him, and had him change his grip which put him dead on. After that he decided he didn't need to adjust his sights after all.

Only adjust your sights once you have absolutely confirmed it's not shooting to POA using a rest and other shooters, or you'll just end up having to move them again later. Ask me how I know!
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Your not alone, all of my semi auto pistols shoot left of target. PS it's not the gun it's the shooter. I have moved the rear sight all the way to the right and still impact is left of target. Better trigger control is required o r aim a little to the right.
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since you are consistently shooting to the left, i would think it is "body alignment". next time, with an empty pistol, try aiming at the target, close your eyes, and take a few breaths. then open your eyes. if your sights have moved any direction, adjust your front foot, in the opposite direction, a little, and try it again. after some practice, (if this works), you will be able to adjust easily, to maintain your "body alignment", to get some straight shooting., (that is my 2 cents)

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It's a few inches left but the assailant is no longer a threat which is probably the desired result.
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wow.... 15-20 yards..? thats pretty good. It took me a while to get 20 yards down to pretty good shots. Are you sure it was that far?

anyways.... when you dry fire practice, always keep hand grip steady. Many shooters have a problem in shifting their hands last minute causing the shot to to too much in the the direction not wanted....

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Could you be shooting right handed but be left eye dominant. If you are and you're not adjusting for it your point of impact will be different from you point of aim. Make sure you're right eye dominant.
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wow.... 15-20 yards..? thats pretty good. It took me a while to get 20 yards down to pretty good shots. Are you sure it was that far?

anyways.... when you dry fire practice, always keep hand grip steady. Many shooters have a problem in shifting their hands last minute causing the shot to to too much in the the direction not wanted....

Good luck. Practice makes perfect!
I could be overstating it. Like I said, I dont really know for sure because the range has no markers. But your right, does seem kinda far, probably more like 10-15 now that I think about it.


Im pretty sure its not my pistol, in fact, I know its me. So Im definitely not going to do any sight adjusting until its confirmed the sights are off via a more experienced shooter and a rest. If anyone has some good articles detailing the proper grip, stance, and trigger control, it would be more than appreciated. Also, Im in the LA area, so if any one has taken some good classes in the area let me know. Im sure a good instructor actually watching me shoot will be a thousand times more helpful.
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