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Old 10-19-2010, 1:09 PM
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Sorry I jumped the gun. Not ruled from the bench.
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HELL YES! And didn't the court say "strict scrutiny"? It seems like since Alameda allowed CCW holders onto the fairgrounds, that lost them the "sensitive area" argument as even CCW holders can't enter sensitive areas.

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Twitter from @calgunsfdn That's where I got my info.
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I thought that's what that meant.
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HELL YES! And didn't the court say "strict scrutiny"? It seems like sense Alameda allowed CCW holders onto the fairgrounds, that lost them the "sensitive area" argument as even CCW holders can't enter sensitive areas.

HELL YAH AGAIN!
From what I sw posted (I'm not there) it sounds like they didn't feel the ordinance would even pass a rational basis test.
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More details please!
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More details please!
Go look at http://www.twitter.com/calgunsfdn for the blow by blow.
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Oh come on!!! Enough with the tease! We're watching this with fingers/toes crossed out East...
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Wasn't "Please strike the ordinance", Don Kilmers statement?

They wouldn't have ruled from the bench...
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From twitter:

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McDonald emphasizes that the 2A is a substantial fundamental right, suggesting strict scrutiny - why shouldn't we apply strict scrutiny?
To me that says the court was going to apply strict.
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Where are you seeing that?

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Wasn't "Please strike the ordinance", Don Kilmers statement?
That's what I got out of it. "Please strike the ordinance" was the last thing said by counsel at the bar. Then "Court adjourned" is the person updating the tweets indicating that court is, well, adjourned.

If the court had ruled from the bench, they probably would've dispensed with the "please" and just said "The ordinance is stricken."
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I could have read it wrong. I was dumbfounded that they would rule from the bench like that. But if you read the posts from CalgunsFdn they always put Nordyke: or Alameda: in front if it was one of the litigants speaking and the "please strike the ordinance" and "court adjourned" were a single tweet.
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Oooh, I like!
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hopefully someone who is there will straighten me out if I misread it. I really hope not but I'm starting to suspect that is the case.
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I'm sure we'll get more info from those in the courtroom in two weeks .
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so what does this mean?
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so what does this mean?
I'm trying to find out. Either we're having a big celebration or I misinterpreted a tweet.
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False alarm...
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I could have read it wrong. I was dumbfounded that they would rule from the bench like that. But if you read the posts from CalgunsFdn they always put Nordyke: or Alameda: in front if it was one of the litigants speaking and the "please strike the ordinance" and "court adjourned" were a single tweet.
Yeah, it's confusing. Though if court were adjourned, they may have needed to hammer out the tweet in a hurry before getting ushered out of the area or getting out of the way of people leaving the room.
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False alarm...
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Not ruled from the bench. It was Don's statement then the court adjourned.

sorry for jumping the gun.
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Eh, it happens. By the looks of the twitter feed, the arguments seemed to be going well, though. At least we're used to patiently waiting for the Nordyke decision...
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Could this potentially settle the issue on other public buildings that are deemed sensitive by the wave of a hand and the whim of local government authorities?
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Wouldn't the court be in recess if they needed to decide, Once they adjourn I thought it is over.
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.


Oh, wait...
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Wouldn't the court be in recess if they needed to decide, Once they adjourn I thought it is over.
Once they adjourn the hearing is over....


They still need to confer and decide the case, and then one or more of of the judges will prepare the opinion.
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MISSION ACCOMPLISHED.


Oh, wait...
Hopefully it won't be a Dewey Defeats Truman moment. I don't mind jumping the gun IF the decision goes the right way.
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I know that the judges will rule "in two weeks" but is there any real deadline for this result?
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Don was so inspiring. Time to go donate some more. I almost felt bad for the alameda attorney. Almost.
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I know that the judges will rule "in two weeks" but is there any real deadline for this result?

Nope...

But this is the same panel that heard the case before. I bet it won't take that long. Maybe January...
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Hopefully it won't be a Dewey Defeats Truman moment. I don't mind jumping the gun IF the decision goes the right way.
Lets hope not....
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Could this potentially settle the issue on other public buildings that are deemed sensitive by the wave of a hand and the whim of local government authorities?
Ca already allows carry in gov. buildings with a PC 12050 License to Carrying.
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Could this potentially settle the issue on other public buildings that are deemed sensitive by the wave of a hand and the whim of local government authorities?
I don't think so. I understand that we'll need separate litigation to explore the sensitive places doctrine that SOCTUS wrote about.

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I know that the judges will rule "in two weeks" but is there any real deadline for this result?
I don't know but I did a cursory search for opinions being published from the 9th. Civil cases with oral arguments at their longest took 9 months, most appeared to take 4-6 months and a few only three months. I hope we don't have to wait too long.
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I know that the judges will rule "in two weeks" but is there any real deadline for this result?
None, but this panel will do their job in a timely fashion. I expect 2-3 months.
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